Relationship between soil suction and angle of repose

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The discussion revolves around the potential relationships between the angle of repose and various soil properties, including total soil suction, particle size distribution, electrical conductivity of water, and shear strength. The context is primarily academic, focusing on civil engineering principles and experimental observations.

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  • One participant inquires about the relationships between angle of repose and total soil suction, particle size distribution, electrical conductivity of water, and shear strength.
  • Another participant questions whether any experiments or measurements have been conducted to test these relationships, suggesting that these are fundamental concepts in civil engineering.
  • A participant lists various tests they have performed, including shear tests, total suction tests, and angle of repose measurements, seeking to understand how the angle of repose relates to these tests.
  • One participant discusses the relationship between the angle of repose and shear strength, mentioning the concept of the failure plane and the Mohr envelope, while noting that the angle of repose is affected by the void ratio.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the relationships discussed, and multiple viewpoints and inquiries remain unresolved.

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The discussion does not clarify specific assumptions or definitions regarding the relationships between the angle of repose and the mentioned soil properties, leaving some aspects open to interpretation.

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I am writing a report for my civil engineering subject. and i have few questions.

is there any relationship between angle of repose and total soil suction.
is there any relationship between angle of repose and particle size distribution.
is there any relationship between angle of repose and electrical conductivity of water.
is there any relationship between angle of repose and shear strength.

i have tried looking online, but i haven't found anything solid to include in the report.
please help.
thanks
 
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Welcome to Physics Forums, ausineng.

Civil Engineering is an intensely practical subject. Have you done any experiments/made any measurements to test any of these relationships?

Any civ eng course will not have left you totally adrift to answer these questions ( which are pretty fundamental) so what is your basis to proceed on?
 
hello
thanks for the reply.
the tests we have done are shear test, compression test, total suction test, electrical conductivity of water, ph test of water, sieving analysis, density measurement, gravimetric water content, and angle of repose.

i actually need to know how angle of repose is related to each one of the tests.

thanks
 
Presumabably you have been told the difference between granular or cohesionless soils and those with cohesion?

The angle of repose is related to the shear in the material as is is the angle of the failure plane.

If ff is a failure plane at angle [itex]\varphi[/itex] to the horizontal then the stresses on that plane are related as follows

[itex]\tau[/itex]ff = c + [itex]\sigma[/itex]fftan([itex]\varphi[/itex])

Obviously for cohesionless soils, c = 0.

Normally a tau v sigma plot is a straight(ish) line with slope given by tan([itex]\varphi[/itex]).

This plot is called the Mohr envelope.

You will have noticed that phi is affected by void ratio.

go well
 

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