Solar Wind Modulates Lightning - Mechanism Unknown

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The discussion centers on the relationship between solar wind activity and lightning strikes on Earth, exploring the unexpected findings of a study that suggests solar winds may enhance lightning rates. The scope includes theoretical implications, potential mechanisms, and observational relationships between atmospheric phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that increased solar wind activity was previously thought to decrease lightning strikes due to enhanced shielding from cosmic rays, but recent findings indicate the opposite effect.
  • Dr. Scott proposes that the solar winds may introduce a lower energy population of particles that facilitate lightning discharge by penetrating storm clouds.
  • One participant expresses interest in the potential relationship between upper atmosphere transient luminous events (TLEs) and tropospheric lightning, suggesting that continued measurement may provide insights.
  • Another participant references a NASA paper that discusses coupling mechanisms between the troposphere and other atmospheric layers, implying a complex interplay influenced by solar activity.
  • A separate observation mentions a visual phenomenon associated with lightning discharges and its effect on the electric field above clouds, raising questions about the interaction between lightning and atmospheric optics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express fascination with the findings, but there is no consensus on the exact mechanisms involved or the implications of the observed relationships. Multiple competing views and questions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the mechanisms by which solar winds may influence lightning rates, as well as the need for further research to clarify these interactions.

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Activity on the Sun is sparking lightning strikes here on Earth, a study suggests.

The finding was surprising, said Dr Scott, because it had been thought that an increase in the solar wind would have the opposite effect.

He explained: "It's unexpected, because these streams of particles bring with them an enhanced magnetic field - and this shields Earth from the very high-energy cosmic rays from outside of the Solar System - these are generated when supernovae explode, and they accelerate particles up to the speed of light."

Previous research has shown that cosmic rays from space can boost the rate of lightning, and it had been thought that an increased shielding effect from the solar particles would cause a decrease in the number of strikes.

"Instead what we actually saw was a marked increase in lightning. It turns out these solar winds bring with them a slightly lower energy population of particle - and these are enhancing the lighting rate," Dr Scott said.

The team is not exactly sure of the mechanism, but said that the particles may be penetrating storm clouds, making it easier for them to discharge electrical energy as a bolts of lightning.

However, while the questions of how still need to be answered, there is plenty of information about when the particles arrive, which could help with storm forecasting.
 
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Fascinating. I can't help but wonder if continued measurement will shed light on the relationship between Upper Atmosphere TLEs and Tropospheric Lightning.
 
enorbet said:
Fascinating. I can't help but wonder if continued measurement will shed light on the relationship between Upper Atmosphere TLEs and Tropospheric Lightning.
This paper, though lengthy and touching many sciences, may answer some of your questions.
The authors are Simoes, Pfaff, Berthelier and Klenzing.

ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120011991.pdf
NASA/GSFC Heliophysics Science Division, Space Weather Laboratory, ...
Investigation of coupling mechanisms between the troposphere and the ...
atmospheric, ionospheric and magnetospheric sources, from lightning and
transient luminous ... modulates (by the solar cycle) the upper boundary and
influences cavity ...
 
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A "white tornado-like beam dancing atop this cumulonimbus cloud" was featured in a 4 minute video on today's edition of spaceweather.com (5/29/14)

One reader suggests that it is a "jumping sundog." Lightning discharges in thunderclouds can temporarily change the electric field above the clouds where charged ice crystals were reflecting sunlight. The new electric field quickly re-orients the geometric crystals to a new orientation that reflects sunlight differently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eomvFly0Ic&feature=youtu.be
 

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