Solubility Product Constant Question

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The discussion centers around calculating the concentration of potassium ions (K+) in a solution formed by mixing KCl and PdCl6(2-), using the solubility-product constant for K2PdCl6. Participants explore different approaches to determine the concentrations and the potential formation of precipitate.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines an approach involving calculating the mmol of KCl and PdCl6(2-) to determine which is in excess, expressing uncertainty about how to proceed without this information.
  • Another participant suggests finding new concentrations after mixing and checking if the solubility product is saturated, proposing to use the solubility product equation to find the amount of precipitate formed.
  • A participant provides detailed calculations for the concentrations of KCl and PdCl6(2-), indicating a method to derive the K+ concentration but expresses confusion about the next steps.
  • One participant questions the calculation of moles of PdCl6(2-) and suggests that the equilibrium concentration of K+ should account for the precipitate formed, proposing a formula to express this relationship.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to determine the K+ concentration, with multiple competing views and methods presented. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding the calculations and assumptions made.

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Participants express confusion about the initial steps in the calculations and the assumptions regarding the excess reactants. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the equilibrium concentrations and the formation of precipitate.

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The solubility-product constant for K2PdCl6 is 6.0 x 10^ -6 (K2PdCl6 ---> 2K+ + PdCl6 2-). What is the K+ concentration of a solution prepared by mixing 50.0 mL of 0.200 M KCl with 50.0 mL of 0.100M PdCl6(2-)?

My Approach (thus far):

1) get mmol of KCl and PdCl6(2-) and get difference of them for excess mmol (of what though?).

2) I'm not really sure what to do from there without knowing which would be in excess...My hunch is to solve whatever is in excess to similar terms to get concentration of K+.

Anyways, this questions has had me scratching my head for a few days. Thanks for all the help I get!
 
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startle101 said:
The solubility-product constant for K2PdCl6 is 6.0 x 10^ -6 (K2PdCl6 ---> 2K+ + PdCl6 2-). What is the K+ concentration of a solution prepared by mixing 50.0 mL of 0.200 M KCl with 50.0 mL of 0.100M PdCl6(2-)?

My Approach (thus far):

1) get mmol of KCl and PdCl6(2-) and get difference of them for excess mmol (of what though?).

2) I'm not really sure what to do from there without knowing which would be in excess...My hunch is to solve whatever is in excess to similar terms to get concentration of K+.

Anyways, this questions has had me scratching my head for a few days. Thanks for all the help I get!

- Find the new concentrations.

- If the solubility product is saturated by incorporating the two concentrations into the solubility product equation then use the equation to find the amount of precipitate formed.

-From this deduce the actual saturation concentrations of the K + cations.
 
GCT said:
- Find the new concentrations.

- If the solubility product is saturated by incorporating the two concentrations into the solubility product equation then use the equation to find the amount of precipitate formed.

-From this deduce the actual saturation concentrations of the K + cations.

You see, that's my ultimate confusion - the first step.

I will show you how I'm doing everything mathematically below

0.200 M KCl x .05 L = .01 mol KCl

0.100 M PdCl6(2-) x .05 L = .006 mol PdCl6(2-)

Now I divide each by total volume ( 50 mL + 50 mL = 100 mL)

.01 mol KCl/.100 L = 0.1 M KCl x 2 = 0.2 M KCl (because of stoichiometric factor from equation above)

.006 mol PdCl6(2-)/.100 L = 0.06 M PdCl6(2-)

So, I have the new concentrations...My goal is to get [K+] though; however, unfortunately, this is where I'm stuck...

I could substitute [PdCl6(2-)] = 2 [K+]

which would then end up as...

2 [K+][K+]^2 = 6.0 x 10^-6

where [K+] = 0.0144 M

Is that the correct approach? How would you correct it?
 
startle101 said:
0.100 M PdCl6(2-) x .05 L = .006 mol PdCl6(2-)[/quot]e

? Why 6?

[K+] = 0.1
[PdCl62-] = 0.05

0.1[sup2[/sup]*0.05 > Kso, so obviously there was a precipitate.

Now, you know that some of the K+ was removed from the solution in the form of precipitate. Assume it was x moles. That means that equilibrium concentration of K+ is

\frac {0.05L*0.2M-2x} {0.1L}

do the same thing to find concentration of PdCl62-. Write formula for Kso, solve for x.
 

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