Solution to Differential Equation Passing Through (0,e)

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The problem involves solving a differential equation of the form \(\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{11xy}{(\ln(y))^{10}}\) with the condition that the solution passes through the point (0,e). Participants are exploring the integration process and the implications of logarithmic properties in their attempts to find the solution.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to separate variables and integrate both sides of the equation. They express confusion regarding the application of logarithmic rules after integration, particularly with the exponent of 11. Other participants suggest that it may not be necessary to solve for \(y\) explicitly and discuss the implications of taking the 11th root of both sides.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integration process and the handling of the logarithmic expression. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct value for the constant \(c\), with one participant noting a mistake in their previous calculation. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and refine the approach to the problem.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the depth of exploration into the solution. There is also a recognition of the potential for simple calculation errors affecting the understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Find the solution to the differential equation. Which passes through the point (0,e).

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{11xy}{(ln(y))^{10}}[/itex]

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I can get through the integration part but I am lost when it comes to using the ln rules to find the solution.

The Attempt at a Solution



First step I move the variables to each side.

[itex]\frac{(ln(y))^{10}}{y}[/itex] dy = 11x dx

I then integrate each side:

∫[itex]\frac{(ln(y))^{10}}{y}[/itex] dy = ∫11x dx

∫[itex]\frac{(ln(y))^{10}}{y}[/itex] dy, I used sub method. u = ln(y), du = 1/y dy -> dy = ydu

∫[itex]\frac{u^{10}}{y}[/itex] * y du, so the y's cancel out. making it:

∫ u[itex]^{10}[/itex] du = [itex]\frac{u^{11}}{11}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{ln(y)^{11}}{11}[/itex]

The other side is simple integration:

∫11x dx = [itex]\frac{11x^{2}}{2}[/itex], this gives:

[itex]\frac{ln(y)^{11}}{11}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{11x^{2}}{2}[/itex] + c, since it passes through
the point (0,e), I find my constant value c right away.

y(0)=e =[itex]\frac{ln(e)^{11}}{11}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{11(0)^{2}}{2}[/itex] + c

y(0)=e = 1 = 0 + c, so c = 1.

I then multiplied the 11 by both sides and got:

(ln(y))[itex]^{11}[/itex] = [itex]\frac{121x^{2}}{2}[/itex] + 11

This is where I am getting confused. I do not know how to use the ln rules on this one. The power of 11 is confusing me and I can not find an example like this one. Any help would be nice. thanks.
 
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You can leave your answer as it is, you aren't really required to make y the subject. Otherwise you'd need to take the 11th root of both sides of the equation.
 
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Wow. I am stupid. Haha. I can't believe I did not think of that. For some reason the exponent of 11 was messing me up. I'll take the 11th root of each side then put it in the form ln(y) = ... because that is what it asks for.

Thanks a lot man. I have being doing differential equations all day and my brain is running on low.
 
mrchauncey said:
Wow. I am stupid. Haha. I can't believe I did not think of that. For some reason the exponent of 11 was messing me up. I'll take the 11th root of each side then put it in the form ln(y) = ... because that is what it asks for.

Thanks a lot man. I have being doing differential equations all day and my brain is running on low.

You also slipped up when you found the constant c=1. If you substitute x=0 and y=e into your final expression it doesn't work. What happened?
 
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Dick said:
You also slipped up when you found the constant c=1. If you substitute x=0 and y=e into your final expression it doesn't work. What happened?

I put it in my calculator wrong. I included the power of 11 in the e, so I had ln(e[itex]^{11}[/itex])= 11. It should be (ln(e))[itex]^{11}[/itex]=1. So c would be 1/11. So then my final answer would be

ln(y) = ([itex]\frac{121x^{2}}{2}[/itex]+1)[itex]^{\frac{1}{11}}[/itex]. I could go further but that's all the question asked for.

Thanks for pointing that out. I am starting to make simple mistakes so its about time I stop and take a break.
 
mrchauncey said:
I put it in my calculator wrong. I included the power of 11 in the e, so I had ln(e[itex]^{11}[/itex])= 11. It should be (ln(e))[itex]^{11}[/itex]=1. So c would be 1/11. So then my final answer would be

ln(y) = ([itex]\frac{121x^{2}}{2}[/itex]+1)[itex]^{\frac{1}{11}}[/itex]. I could go further but that's all the question asked for.

Thanks for pointing that out. I am starting to make simple mistakes so its about time I stop and take a break.

Yeah, take a break. Needing a calculator to find ##(ln(e))^{11}## is already a bad sign.
 

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