Solution to the 1D Free Schrodinger Equation

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The discussion revolves around the solution to the one-dimensional free Schrödinger equation, specifically addressing the separation of variables and the implications of the solutions obtained for free particles. Participants explore the completeness of the solutions presented by a lecturer and the conditions under which certain terms may be omitted.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of separating variables in the time-dependent Schrödinger equation and obtaining the time-independent Schrödinger equation for a free particle, noting the solution includes both positive and negative momentum terms.
  • Another participant suggests that the lecturer may not have intended to be rigorous in his presentation, implying that the omission of certain terms could be a stylistic choice.
  • Some participants argue that both positive and negative momentum values yield the same energy, thus justifying the two-term solution as more general.
  • A participant points out that in the absence of boundary conditions for a free particle, the expression can be simplified to represent a single term in a superposition of energies.
  • One participant questions the cancellation of a specific term in the spatial part of the solution and requests clarification on the necessary boundary conditions.
  • Another participant discusses the concept of degeneracy in the context of energy eigensolutions for a free particle, emphasizing the role of symmetry in determining the completeness of the solution set.
  • It is noted that while the lecturer's solution is correct, it may be incomplete as it does not account for the two independent solutions associated with each energy level.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the completeness and rigor of the lecturer's solution. While some agree that the omission of terms can be justified, others contend that it leads to an incomplete representation of the solutions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the necessity of including all terms in the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of boundary conditions and the implications of symmetry in the solutions, noting that these factors may influence the interpretation of the results. There is also mention of the relationship between energy and momentum, which is not fully explored in the discussion.

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So starting from the time dependent Schrödinger equation I perform separation of variables and obtain a time and spatial part. The spatial part is in effect the time independent Schrödinger equation.

Since we are dealing with a free particle I can take the time independent equation, set V = 0 and solve.

I can do this successfully to obtain :

[itex]Ae^{+i\sqrt{{2mE}/{\hbar^{2}}}x}+Be^{-i\sqrt{{2mE}/{\hbar^{2}}}x}[/itex]

My lecturer has a small section titled :

>Solving for the Free Schrödinger Equation

[itex]V=0[/itex]

[itex]\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m}\frac{\partial^2\psi}{\partial x^2}+E\psi=0[/itex]

[itex]E=\frac{p^2}{2m}[/itex]

[itex]\psi=Ce^{-{iEt}/{\hbar}+{ipr}/{\hbar}}[/itex]

This is the solution to the free TISE and TDSE.

So when I follow through and solve for the spatial part of his final solution I obtain :

[itex]A'e^{+ip/\hbar}+B'e^{-ip/\hbar}[/itex]

He seems to have conveniently ignored/left out one half of the above solution. Why ?

I am also aware that [itex]e^{-{iEt}/{\hbar}}[/itex] is simply the solution the time dependent part of the equation so my only issue is why he has left out a certain bit.
 
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elemis said:
He seems to have conveniently ignored/left out one half of the above solution. Why ?

I don't think anyone here can read his mind. Ask him. :smile:

My guess is that he simply did not intend to be completely rigorous.
 
He's just allowing ##p## to be either positive or negative. Since ##E## is proportional to ##p^2##, either positive or negative values will lead to the same value of energy.
 
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Correct. In addition, for the same value of E, both positive and negative values of p can be present, in a superposition, so the two-term solution is a bit more general. We actually use this solution for the "particle in a box" where the boundary conditions lead to coefficients such that the two terms combine to give a (real) sine or cosine.

Of course, that's not a free particle, but it's still V = 0.
 
Right, but in a free particle with no boundary conditions, you are already allowed to have a superposition of different values of ##E## anyway, so the entire expression is already meant to be taken as only one term in the superposition. If that's the case, it's redundant to also go and write out the positive- and negative- momentum terms separately--you can just say "for any value of ##E##, and for any value of ##p## for which ##E = \frac{p^2}{2m}##.
 
please somebody tell us how he canceled out B exp(-ikx) in the spatial part and mention the necessary boundary condition

thx
 
He is simply not clear enough about what he wants to do! Obviously he is looking for the energy eigensolutions for a free particle, and then it's clear that you get for each non-zero spectral value of the Hamiltonian two linearly independent generalized eigenfunctions, namely the ones you found. This is called "degeneracy". The reason for a degeneracy is often (if not always) a symmetry of the problem. Here it's invariance under spatial reflections, i.e., the symmetry of the Hamiltonian under ##x \rightarrow -x##, ##p \rightarrow -p##. Thus, to completely specify the eigenstate you can choose parity as another observable, and this leads to clearly defined eigenfunctions (setting ##\hbar=1##):
$$u^{(+)}_E=N \cos(\sqrt{2 m E} x), \quad u^{(-)}_E(x)=N \sin(\sqrt{2m E x}).$$
Of course, also your professor's solution is correct, but it's incomplete, because for any ##E>0## there are two solutions, making up the complete (generalized) basis of the eigenspace ##\mathrm{Eig}(\hat{H},E)##.

Another thing is the momentum eigenvalue problem. The momentum spectrum is not degenerate, and then your professor's solution is unique,
##u_p(x)=N \exp(\mathrm{i} p x).##
 

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