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The discussion revolves around the expression \(3^{2010} + 15^{2010}\) and whether it is divisible by 13. Participants explore various interpretations of the problem, including potential methods for reduction and the concept of modular arithmetic.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the expression and whether it should be reduced or proven to be divisible by 13.
  • Another participant clarifies the possible interpretations of the task, suggesting it may involve proving divisibility.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the problem is an opportunity to explore properties of logarithms, although this is later retracted as overly simplistic.
  • One participant proposes a method involving powers of 5 modulo 13 to explore the divisibility of the expression.
  • Another participant presents a detailed modular arithmetic argument, showing that \(3^{2010}(5^{2010} + 1) \equiv 0 (\mod 13)\), indicating that the expression is divisible by 13.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used in the original problem, with some participants suggesting alternative notations for divisibility and modular arithmetic.
  • One participant expresses a desire to learn more about modular arithmetic and requests suggestions for texts.
  • Another participant explains the concept of modulo using a clock analogy, which is appreciated by others in the discussion.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the original intent of the problem or the best approach to solve it. Multiple interpretations and methods are proposed, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the task.

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There are uncertainties regarding the assumptions behind the problem, particularly in terms of the intended operations and the notation used. The discussion includes various mathematical steps that are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in modular arithmetic, mathematical problem-solving, and those seeking to understand different interpretations of mathematical expressions.

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So my mother mentioned to a co-worker, who is a "math guy," that I was interested in math. The co-worker subsequently gave her a piece of paper with the following written on it to give me to to "solve" or "prove" in my mother's words, yet I am unsure what to do. Here is what was on the paper:

[tex]3^{2010}+15^{2010} \div 13[/tex]

I figured the person wanted me to reduce this in some way as it is not an equation. The only thing I think I could prove is the reduction if I could figure out how to do it. My first thought was to try and reduce [tex]15^{2010}/13[/tex] in some way be solving the equation [tex]15^{2010/ x}/13=y[/tex]but I could not find a whole number that worked for x that gave a whole number for y so I am a bit stuck...

Any help? I feel a bit stupid because it seems to be simple, yet I am having trouble figuring it out. Also, I don't really know if reducing this is what the person wanted me to do.

Thanks
 
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Wait, do you need to prove if
[tex] 3^{2010}+15^{2010} [/tex] is divisible by 13 i.e

[tex]13|3^{2010}+15^{2010}[/tex]

Or you need to reduce
[tex] 3^{2010}+\frac{15^{2010}}{13}[/tex]

?

Regards
 
I believe your mother's friend wants you to "explore" math. The exponents lead me to believe he wants to introduce you to the properties of logarithms.

Edit: Eh, its not as simple as I was thinking. Forgive me.
 
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BustedBreaks said:
So my mother mentioned to a co-worker, who is a "math guy," that I was interested in math. The co-worker subsequently gave her a piece of paper with the following written on it to give me to to "solve" or "prove" in my mother's words, yet I am unsure what to do. Here is what was on the paper:

[tex]3^{2010}+15^{2010} \div 13[/tex]

I figured the person wanted me to reduce this in some way as it is not an equation. The only thing I think I could prove is the reduction if I could figure out how to do it.


My first thought was to try and reduce [tex]15^{2010}/13[/tex] in some way be solving the equation [tex]15^{2010/ x}/13=y[/tex]but I could not find a whole number that worked for x that gave a whole number for y so I am a bit stuck...

Any help? I feel a bit stupid because it seems to be simple, yet I am having trouble figuring it out. Also, I don't really know if reducing this is what the person wanted me to do.

Thanks

If this is meant to be an integers problem, then possibly you are being asked if 13 divides the sum. It does. Can you prove it? In other words, consider
[tex]\frac{3^{2010} + 15^{2010}}{13}[/tex]​

Can you prove that this is an integer?

Here is a hint. Consider successive powers of 5, modulo 13.

[tex]\begin{align*}<br /> 5^0 & \equiv 1 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^1 & \equiv 5 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^2 & \equiv 12 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^3 & \equiv 8 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^4 & \equiv 1 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^5 & \equiv 5 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^6 & \equiv 12 (\mod 13) \\<br /> 5^7 & \equiv 8 (\mod 13)<br /> \end{align*}[/tex]​

And so on. (You can prove this if you need to).

Cheers -- sylas
 
But we don't know if that is the task.

Anyways

[tex] 13|3^{2010}+15^{2010}=3^{2010}+5^{2010}\cdot 3^{2010}=3^{2010}(1+5^{2010})[/tex]
[tex] 3^3 & \equiv 1 (\mod 13) \\[/tex]
hence
[tex]3^{2010} \equiv 1^{670} (\mod 13)[/tex]

[tex]5^{2} \equiv -1 (\mod 13)[/tex]

[tex]5^{2010} & \equiv (-1)^{1005} (\mod 13) \\[/tex]

[tex]5^{2010} + 1 & \equiv (-1)+1 (\mod 13) \[/tex]

hence

[tex]3^{2010}(5^{2010} + 1) & \equiv 0 (\mod 13) \[/tex]

Hence we proved it is divisible by 13.

Regards.
 
So here is exactly what was written:

[tex]3^{2010} + 15^{2010} \vdots 13[/tex]

The three dots looked like a division symbol on the paper

Also, maybe I should learn what mod means?

Any suggestions on texts that could help me with that?
 
Mod just mean's Modulo. Basically when you say x mod y it means that as you increase x, once it gets to y it reverts to zero. Think of a clock, which is expressed in mod 12. The only thing of note is that a clock has no zero but starts at one so let's just subtract 1 from everything and pretend time goes 0 o' clock, 1 o'clock (which is actually 2 o'clock) and so on until 11 o' clock (which is actually 12 o' clock). What is one hour after 11 o' clock in our scheme? Well we're back to 0 o' clock. Mathematically we say 11 mod 12 + 1 = 0 mod 12. So what's 7 mod 12 + 10? (10 hours after 7 o'clock)? It's 5 o' clock. You can think of mod as "clock arithmetic"
 
maverick_starstrider said:
You can think of mod as "clock arithmetic"
Never thought of it that way. I like that.
 
BustedBreaks said:
So here is exactly what was written:

[tex]3^{2010} + 15^{2010} \vdots 13[/tex]

The three dots looked like a division symbol on the paper

Also, maybe I should learn what mod means?

Any suggestions on texts that could help me with that?

I've never seen that notation. A standard notation is
[tex]a \;\; | \;\; b[/tex]​
which means "a divides b", or alternatively, a is a factor of b. So my guess at what your problem means could have been written
[tex]13 \;\; | \;\; 3^{2010} + 15^{2010}[/tex]​
The order is important, and your notation is in the reverse order to this.

The other common notation that I used in my first reply is
[tex]a \equiv b (\mod c)[/tex]​
which has the same meaning as
[tex]c \;\; | \;\; a-b[/tex]​
or, a and b have the same remainder when divided by c.

My reading of your problem could be written in this notation as
[tex]3^{2010} + 15^{2010} \equiv 0 ( \mod 13)[/tex]​

Sometimes the brackets are omitted. This uses three dashes, but requires the additional 0 in there.

A page introducing modular arithmetic is here: Modular Arithmetic, or see the wikipedia article.

But I'm still only guessing that this was the intent of the original question.

Cheers -- sylas
 

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