Solve Diff Eq: \frac{d^2x}{dy^2}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})\frac{dx}{dy}=0

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \(\frac{d^2x}{dy^2}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})\frac{dx}{dy}=0\). Participants explore various methods of solving this equation, including substitution and integration techniques, while seeking clarification on the correctness of their approaches.

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  • One participant proposes using the substitution \(\frac{dx}{dy}=z\) to transform the equation into \(\frac{dz}{dy}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})z=0\) and discusses the general solution.
  • Another participant suggests simplifying the expression for \(z\) and indicates that the integrand should be \(Cye^{-1/4y^2}\), which they claim is easily integrable using the substitution \(u=y^2\).
  • A third participant reiterates the approach of setting \(\frac{dx}{dy}=z\) and provides an alternative method of treating the equation as separable, leading to a different form of \(z\) and suggesting integration with respect to \(u\).
  • Participants express uncertainty about leaving the variable \(y\) in the substitution during integration and question the correctness of their methods.

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There is no clear consensus on the best method to solve the differential equation, as participants propose different approaches and express uncertainty regarding their techniques and substitutions.

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Participants mention various integration techniques and substitutions, but there are unresolved questions about the appropriateness of certain steps and the simplification of expressions. The discussion reflects differing opinions on the most effective approach to the problem.

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Simple Diff Eq Help

I am trying to solve the following Diff Eq:

\frac{d^2x}{dy^2}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})\frac{dx}{dy}=0

I tried to solve by setting \frac{dx}{dy}=z

so: \frac{dz}{dy}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})z=0

I know the general solution to this is:

z=-e^{-\int{\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y}dy}}\int{0}dy

This then yields:
z=-C_1e^{ln(y)-1/4y^2}=\frac{dx}{dy}

And trying to integrate again, Using u-substitution, u = ln(y) -1/4y^2
du=(\frac{1}{y} - \frac{y}{2}) dy
dy = \frac{2}{2-y^2} du

Now, can I leave that y tern in the u-substitution? Or did I make a mistake along the way?

Also, is there an easier way to solve this integral than the path I've taken? Thanks.
 
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I'd try not thinking about what the general solution should be and think about seperating the equation and solving from there.

however for you final integral, you need to symplify z a bit.

the integrand should be

Cye^-1/4y^2

which is easily integrable using the substitution u=y^2
 
Peregrine said:
I am trying to solve the following Diff Eq:

\frac{d^2x}{dy^2}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})\frac{dx}{dy}=0

I tried to solve by setting \frac{dx}{dy}=z

so: \frac{dz}{dy}+(\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y})z=0

I know the general solution to this is:

z=-e^{-\int{\frac{y}{2}-\frac{1}{y}dy}}\int{0}dy

This then yields:
z=-C_1e^{ln(y)-1/4y^2}=\frac{dx}{dy}
That's valid, since this is a linear equation but I think it would be simpler to treat it as a separable equation:
\frac{dz}{z}= \left(\frac{1}{y}- \frac{y}{2}\right)dy[/itex]<br /> so<br /> ln(z)= ln(y)- \frac{y^2}{4}+ c<br /> or<br /> z= \frac{dx}{dy}= \frac{Cy}{e^{\frac{y^2}{4}}}<br /> That also separates:<br /> dx= \frac{Cy}{e^{\frac{y^2}{4}}}dy<br /> To integrate that, let u= y<sup>2</sup>/4.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> And trying to integrate again, Using u-substitution, u = ln(y) -1/4y^2<br /> du=(\frac{1}{y} - \frac{y}{2}) dy<br /> dy = \frac{2}{2-y^2} du<br /> <br /> Now, can I leave that y tern in the u-substitution? Or did I make a mistake along the way? </div> </div> </blockquote> No, you cannot leave &quot;y&quot; in something you are integrating with respect to u.<br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="" data-source="" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> Also, is there an easier way to solve this integral than the path I&#039;ve taken? Thanks. </div> </div> </blockquote>
 
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Thanks for the help!
 

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