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The discussion revolves around finding the dispersion relations for solutions of various partial differential equations, specifically focusing on the equations $u_t + au_x = du_{xx}$, $i u_t + u_{xx} = 0$, and $u_{tt} = au_{xx}$, where $a, d > 0$. Participants explore whether these equations exhibit dispersion based on the relationships between wave number and frequency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that $u(x,t) = e^{i(kx - \omega t)}$ is a solution of $u_t + au_x = du_{xx}$ if $aik - \omega i + dk^2 = 0$ holds.
  • Another participant points out a missing $i$ in the expression for velocity, leading to $v = \frac{\omega}{k} = a - dik$, suggesting that the velocity depends on wave number.
  • It is discussed that to determine if an equation is a dispersion equation, one must check if $\frac{\omega}{k}$ depends on $k$.
  • For the equation $i u_t + u_{xx} = 0$, it is derived that $\omega = k^2$, leading to the conclusion that it does not exhibit dispersion since velocity does not depend on $k$.
  • Participants analyze the equation $u_{tt} = au_{xx}$ and derive that $\omega^2 = ak^2$, concluding that it also does not exhibit dispersion as the velocity is constant and does not depend on wave number.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for determining dispersion relations, but there are points of contention regarding the interpretation of results, particularly concerning the second equation and its classification as a dispersion equation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about whether a traveling wave representation is necessary for determining dispersion, indicating a potential area of confusion in the discussion.

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Hello! (Wave)

I want to find the dispersion relation for the solutions in the form $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$ of the following partial differential equations:

  • $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$
  • $i u_t+u_{xx}=0$
  • $u_{tt}=au_{xx}$, where $a,d>0$.

Which of the above equations are dispersion equations?

For the first differential equation, I have tried the following so far:

We suppose that $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$ is a solution of $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$.

We have: $u_t(x,t)=- \omega i e^{i(kx-\omega t)} \\ u_x=ik e^{i(kx-\omega t)} \\ u_{xx}=-k^2 e^{i(kx- \omega t)}$

Thus, it has to hold: $- \omega i e^{i(kx-\omega t)}+ a ik e^{i(kx - \omega t)}=-d k^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$

or equivalently $(aik- \omega i +d k^2) e^{i(kx-\omega t)}=0 \ \ \forall x, t \in \mathbb{R}$.

So it has to hold: $aik- \omega i +d k^2=0$.

$u(x,t)= e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$ is a solution of $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$ iff $aik- \omega i +d k^2=0$.If we would look for a solution of the form $A \cos(kx- \omega t)$, we would continue by writing the solution in the form of a traveling wave.In our case, do we use the fact that $e^{i(kx-\omega t)}=\cos(kx- \omega t)+i \sin(kx-\omega t)$?

If so, then would we say the following?

$aik- \omega i +d k^2=0 \Rightarrow \frac{\omega}{k}=a-dk$ and so $u(x,t)= \cos \left( k \left( x-(a-dk)t \right)\right)+i sin \left( k \left( x-(a-dk)t \right)\right)$.

Thus, solutions of the differential equation that correspond to different wavenumbers "travel" with different velocities and thus $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$ is a dispersion equation.

Or do we have to continue in an other way? :confused:
 
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evinda said:
$u(x,t)= e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$ is a solution of $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$ iff $aik- \omega i +d k^2=0$.If we would look for a solution of the form $A \cos(kx- \omega t)$, we would continue by writing the solution in the form of a traveling wave.In our case, do we use the fact that $e^{i(kx-\omega t)}=\cos(kx- \omega t)+i \sin(kx-\omega t)$?

If so, then would we say the following?

$aik- \omega i +d k^2=0 \Rightarrow \frac{\omega}{k}=a-dk$ and so $u(x,t)= \cos \left( k \left( x-(a-dk)t \right)\right)+i sin \left( k \left( x-(a-dk)t \right)\right)$.

Thus, solutions of the differential equation that correspond to different wavenumbers "travel" with different velocities and thus $u_t+au_x=du_{xx}$ is a dispersion equation.

Or do we have to continue in an other way? :confused:

Hey! (Blush)

I think you are already there. (Nod)
The solution $Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}$ already represents a harmonic solution.
Btw, you've lost an $i$ in $\frac{\omega}{k}=a-dk$. (Worried)
Since it follows that $v = \frac{\omega}{k}=a-dik$, we see that velocity depends on wave number (since $d \ne 0$). There is an imaginary part, but that will translate in a phase shift. (Mmm)
 
I like Serena said:
Btw, you've lost an $i$ in $\frac{\omega}{k}=a-dk$. (Worried)

Oh yes, right... (Tmi)

I like Serena said:
Since it follows that $v = \frac{\omega}{k}=a-dik$, we see that velocity depends on wave number (since $d \ne 0$). There is an imaginary part, but that will translate in a phase shift. (Mmm)

So this means that in order to deduce if we have a dispersion equation, it suffices to check if $\frac{\omega}{k}$ depends on $k$ or not, right?
We don't have to write the solution in the form of a traveling wave, or have I understood it wrong? (Thinking)
 
Also for the second and third differential equation is it as follows?
  • We suppose that $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$ is a solution of $i u_t+u_{xx}=0$.

    Thus, it has to hold: $ - \omega i^2 e^{i(kx - \omega t)}-k^2 e^{i(kx- \omega t)}=0$

    or equivalently $(\omega-k^2) e^{i(kx- \omega t)}\ \ \forall x, t \in \mathbb{R}$.

    So it has to hold: $\omega-k^2=0$.

    $u(x,t)= e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$ is a solution of $i u_t+u_{xx}=0$ iff $\omega=k^2$.

    So the velocity is $v=\frac{\omega}{k}=k$ and thus it depends on $k$ and so we deduce that $i u_t+u_{xx}=0$ is not a dispersion equation.
  • We suppose that $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$ is a solution of $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$.

    Then $u_{tt}(x,t)=\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$.

    Thus, it has to hold: $\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}=a (-k^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)})$

    or equivalently $e^{i(kx-\omega t)} (\omega^2+k^2 a)=0$

    So it has to hold: $\omega^2+k^2 a=0 \Rightarrow \omega^2=-k^2 a<0$, contradiction.

    Is it right? If so does this mean that $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$ does not have solutions of the form $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$? If so, then do we deduce that $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$ is not a dispersion equation?
 
evinda said:
So this means that in order to deduce if we have a dispersion equation, it suffices to check if $\frac{\omega}{k}$ depends on $k$ or not, right?

Yes. (Smile)

We don't have to write the solution in the form of a traveling wave, or have I understood it wrong? (Thinking)

We do. It's just that a traveling wave can be represented both as $A\cos(kx-\omega t)$ or as $Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}$. In physics the latter is the more common representation with the understanding that what we actually observe is the real part of it. (Emo)
 
evinda said:
So the velocity is $v=\frac{\omega}{k}=k$ and thus it depends on $k$ and so we deduce that $i u_t+u_{xx}=0$ is not a dispersion equation.

Doesn't that mean that it is a dispersion equation? (Wondering)
We suppose that $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx-\omega t)}, k, \omega>0$ is a solution of $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$.

Then $u_{tt}(x,t)=\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$.

Isn't it like this:
$$u_{tt}(x,t) = (-i\omega)^2e^{i(kx-\omega t)} = -\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$
(Wasntme)
 
I like Serena said:
Yes. (Smile)

We do. It's just that a traveling wave can be represented both as $A\cos(kx-\omega t)$ or as $Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}$. In physics the latter is the more common representation with the understanding that what we actually observe is the real part of it. (Emo)

Ah, I see... (Smile)

I like Serena said:
Doesn't that mean that it is a dispersion equation? (Wondering)

Oh yes, you are right! (Blush)
I like Serena said:
Isn't it like this:
$$u_{tt}(x,t) = (-i\omega)^2e^{i(kx-\omega t)} = -\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$
(Wasntme)

Oh yes, right... So is it as follows? (Thinking)

We suppose that $u(x,t)=e^{i(kx- \omega t)}, \omega, k>0$ is a solution of the differential equation $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$.
Then $u_{tt}(x,t)=-\omega^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$ and $u_{xx}(x,t)=-k^2 e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$.

Thus, it has to hold: $\omega^2 e^{i(kx- \omega t)}=a k^2 e^{i(kx- \omega t)}$ or equivalently $(\omega^2-a k^2) e^{i(kx- \omega t)}=0 \ \ \forall x,t \in \mathbb{R}$

So it has to hold: $\omega^2=a k^2$.

$u(x,t)=e^{i(kx- \omega t)}$ is a solution of $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$ iff $\omega^2=ak^2 \Rightarrow \frac{\omega}{k}= \sqrt{a}$.

Thus $u(x,t)= e^{i(k(x-\sqrt{a}t))}$.

We see that the velocity that is equal to $\frac{k}{ \omega}=\sqrt{a}$ doesn't depend on the wave number.

Thus $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$ is not a dispersion equation.
 
evinda said:
We see that the velocity that is equal to $\frac{k}{ \omega}=\sqrt{a}$ doesn't depend on the wave number.

Thus $u_{tt}=au_{xx}, a>0$ is not a dispersion equation.

Seems good to me. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
Seems good to me. (Nod)

Nice... Thank you! (Party)
 

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