Solve Drag Force Problem: Find Time to Reach 2% of Orig. Speed

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The problem involves calculating the time it takes for a diver to reach 2% of their original speed after entering water, considering the effects of drag force. The diver's initial speed is 6.5 m/s, and the drag force is modeled as proportional to velocity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the assumption of constant acceleration and its implications on the problem. There are attempts to derive net force and acceleration, with questions about the correct application of initial conditions and the nature of changing velocity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem and questioning the assumptions made in the initial attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of net force and the need to consider non-constant acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about how to handle the changing acceleration due to drag force and the implications of using initial velocity in their calculations. There is a noted lack of consensus on the correct approach to take.

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Homework Statement


You dive straight down into a pool of water. You hit the water with a speed of 6.5 m/s, and your mass is 65 kg.

Assuming a drag force of the form F_D=cv=(-1.2*10^4 \tfrac{kg}{s})*v, how long does it take you to reach 2% of your original speed? (Ignore any effects of buoyancy.)


Homework Equations


ma=F_D-mg
v(t)=v_0+at


The Attempt at a Solution


ma=F_D-mg
a=\frac{F_D}{m}-g
a=\frac{(-1.2*10^4)*-6.5}{65}-9.8=1190.2

v(t)=v_0+at
-6.5*.02=-6.5+1190.2t
t=5.4*10^{-3}

Logically, the answer does not make sense, nor is it correct. Where did I go wrong?
 
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You have assumed acceleration is constant. In your equation, a = \frac{cv}{m} - g

And then you used constant acceleration formulae. However, think about what happens as v changes.
 
Rake-MC said:
You have assumed acceleration is constant. In your equation, a = \frac{cv}{m} - g

And then you used constant acceleration formulae. However, think about what happens as v changes.

Ah, yes. As velocity decreases, the acceleration does as well. This is problematic for me, however, as I have not worked with non-constant accelerations. How should I go about solving this problem?
 
Try this:
solve for Fnet first, before acceleration.
 
If you mean:
F_{net}=cv-mg

I can solve for it, but do I use 6.5 as my value for v? I still don't know what to do with the resulting value? Doesn't that still have the same problem of assuming constant acceleration?
 
well think about this:

F = m \frac{v}{t}so m \frac{v_s}{t} = cv - mg

where v_s is the one which is at 2%
re arrange to get t.

I hope I didn't make any careless mistakes I was up all night
 
F_{net}=cv-mg=(-1.2*10^4)(-6.5)-65(9.8)=77363

F_{net}=m\tfrac{v_s}{t}
77363=65(\tfrac{0.13}{t}
t=1.09*10^{-4}

This is also an incorrect answer =/
 
Shameless bump - still haven't resolved this question :(
 
You have to use partial derivatives.

FD-mg = ma
cv-mg = m dv/dt
cv/m-g=dv/dt
integral(dt)|0,t = (dv/ (cv/m)-g)
 
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Ahh catamara is totally right, we were on the right track though
 

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