Solve Dxdy Word Problem: Height of Bulb at $(1.25, 0)$

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The discussion revolves around determining the height \( h \) of a bulb positioned at point \( (1.25, 0) \) in relation to a circle defined by the equation \( x^2 + y^2 = 1 \). Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including geometric reasoning and algebraic manipulation, to solve the problem.

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  • One participant suggests a geometric approach involving similar triangles to find \( h \) based on the point of tangency and the origin.
  • Another participant provides a series of algebraic manipulations to derive \( h \) from the equation of the line and the circle, leading to a quadratic equation whose discriminant is set to zero for tangency.
  • A different participant points out an error in the initial equation of the circle, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the setup.
  • Further contributions include a tangent line equation derived from the circle's properties, leading to a calculation of \( h \) when substituting specific coordinates.
  • Some participants express difficulty in visualizing how to incorporate the circle into their reasoning.

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There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, as participants present differing methods and interpretations of the setup. Multiple competing views remain regarding the correct application of geometric and algebraic principles.

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Participants note potential errors in the initial problem setup and the equations used, which may affect the conclusions drawn. The discussion includes various assumptions about the relationships between the points and the circle.

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how high h must the bulb in the figure be if point $(1.25,0)$
is right on the edge of the illuminated region.
${x}^{2}+{y}^{2}=1$

$y' = -x/y$

$\frac{-h}{13/4}=\frac{-y}{5/4-x}=-\frac{x}{y}$

hopefully if the is setup ok what is next?
 
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The equation for the circle is incorrect.
 
I copied the figure wrong so OP has pic from book
 
This can be solved using geometry. Let $O$ be the origin, $C$ be the point of tangency of the sloped line and the circle, and let $A$ have coordinates $(1.25,0)$. Then the right triangle $OCA$ is similar to the large right triangle with side $h$. From there $h$ can be found.

What do you mean by dxdy in the thread title?
 
$-y^2 = -5/4 x + x^2$
$5/4 x = x^2 + y^2 = 1$
$x = 4/5$
$y = 3/5$
$y-3/5 = -4/3 (x-4/5)$
$4x+3 y=5$
When $x=-2$ Then $y=h=13/3$
 
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I would likely work this as follows:

The equation of the line is given by:

$$y=\frac{h-0}{-2-\frac{5}{4}}\left(x-\frac{5}{4}\right)=-\frac{h}{13}(4x-5)$$

Now, plug this into the equation of the circle:

$$x^2+\left(-\frac{h}{13}(4x-5)\right)^2=1$$

$$169x^2+h^2\left(16x^2-40x+25\right)=169$$

$$\left(16h^2+169\right)x^2-40h^2x+\left(25h^2-169\right)=0$$

Require the discriminant to be zero since the line and circle are tangent:

$$\left(-40h^2\right)^2-4\left(16h^2+169\right)\left(25h^2-169\right)=0$$

This reduces to:

$$(3h-13)(3h+13)=0$$

Discarding the negative root, we are left with:

$$h=\frac{13}{3}$$
 
Well that was very helpful.

It was hard to see how to use the circle in this.
 
We can use still another general fact that a tangent to a circle $x^2+y^2=r^2$ at point $(x_0,y_0)$ is
\[
xx_0+yy_0=r^2.\qquad(*)
\]
(More generally, the tangent to $(x-x_c)^2+(y-y_c)^2=r^2$ at point $(x_0,y_0)$ is $(x-x_c)(x_0-x_c)+(y-y_c)(y_0-y_c)=r^2$.) Substituting $x=5/4$ and $y=0$ into (*) we find $x_0=4/5$ and from $x^2+y^2=1$ it follows that $y_0=3/5$. Thus, the tangent equation is $\frac{4}{5}x+\frac{3}{5}y=1$, from where $y=13/3$ when $x=-2$.
 

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