Solve Elevator Force: 100kg, X, 10s, a*

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force acting on a 100 kg elevator that accelerates upwards at an average acceleration, denoted as a*, while covering a distance X over a period of 10 seconds. Participants are analyzing the relationships between force, acceleration, and distance in the context of kinematics.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of a free body diagram and the forces acting on the elevator, including gravitational force and net force. There are attempts to derive the average acceleration and its relationship to distance and time. Some participants question the use of average velocity versus average acceleration in their calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the problem being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on the correct equations to use, while others express confusion about the relationships between average speed, average acceleration, and the resulting force. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or answer at this time.

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Participants note that the question may be poorly worded or ambiguous, leading to differing interpretations of the necessary calculations. There is also a mention of the assumption of constant acceleration, which is not clearly stated in the problem.

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100 kg elevator acclerates up at rate avg a*. What's the avg force acting on the elevator if it covers a distance X over a period of 10s?

a* denotes average acceleration
a. 2X + 1000
b. 100(a* + 1)
c. 2a* + 1000
d. 2a*X

I set up a free body diagram to show all the forces acting on the elevator. There's a downward force due to gravity, Fg, the net upward force, Fn, causing the acceleration.

Fn - Fg = ma*
Fn = ma* + Fg

The question states that it travels a distance of X over 10 sec

a* = delta V/delta t
delta V = X/t , which the question gives me
delta V = x/10s, i substituted this into the a* equation and got
a* = x/100s

when i plug this into my net force equation:

Fn = ma* + Fg
Fn = m(a* + g)
Fn = 100kg(x/100s + 10m/s^2)
Fn = X + 1000

I can't seem to figure out why my answer doesn't match any of the answer choices. Can someone please point out what I'm doing wrong?
Thanks
 
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You used the wrong kinetic equation. You calculated your final velocity incorrectly.
 
flatmaster said:
You used the wrong kinetic equation. You calculated your final velocity incorrectly.

avg velocity comes to mind since the question says the elevator travels a distance x over a period of 10s. If i solve the problem using this information, the answer comes out to be 2X + 1000.
But avg acceleration is equal to delta v/ delta t, not avg velocity. And also, using avg velocity would mean i have constant acceleration and i don't.

I really think this is a ridiculous question, very loosely termed.
 
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HumorMe81 said:
a* = delta V/delta t
OK.
delta V = X/t , which the question gives me
No, X/t gives the average speed, not the change in speed.
 
ok, so does that mean avg speed is = 2X/t?
if so, then the answer is a. 2X + 1000

I still don't see the relationship between avg speed and avg acceleration.
 
HumorMe81 said:
ok, so does that mean avg speed is = 2X/t?
if so, then the answer is a. 2X + 1000

I still don't see the relationship between avg speed and avg acceleration.
There isn't any. And average speed is irrelevant. Force= mass * acceleration, not mass* speed. If the speed were constant over the trip, there would be no force.
 
HallsofIvy said:
There isn't any. And average speed is irrelevant. Force= mass * acceleration, not mass* speed. If the speed were constant over the trip, there would be no force.

ok, if the acceleration were constant and the initial velocity were given to be 0, then i see some sense in solving this problem. And even then the answer wouldn't match any of the given answers.
 
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