Solve Flow Rate Problem: 9 kW Shower

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves estimating the flow rate of water from a shower with a power rating of 9 kW. The context is centered around thermodynamics and fluid mechanics, specifically relating to heat transfer and flow rates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the equation Q = m c δT but expresses uncertainty about missing temperature and mass values. Some participants suggest making reasonable assumptions about temperatures to proceed with the calculations. Others discuss the impact of kinetic energy on the flow rate and question the relevance of pressure in the context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering suggestions for assumptions and discussing the implications of their choices. There is a recognition of the need to clarify units and the nature of the flow rate being calculated. Some guidance has been provided regarding the arithmetic and dimensional analysis, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted lack of specific temperature values and pressure conditions, which are critical for accurately estimating the flow rate. Participants are navigating these constraints by proposing reasonable estimates.

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Homework Statement

a) A student taking a shower notices that the power rating of the shower is 9 kW. Estimate the flowrate of the water.

I think I have to use the equation [tex]Q = m c \delta T[/tex]

However I have not beeen given any temperature or anything, like that, or the mass? How would I do this question? Is there any other formula to use? Am I just mean to assume an temperature?

Thank you.
 
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It says "estimate", so you're probably meant to make reasonable guesses at things like that. Suppose the temperature of the room is 20 degrees, the temperature of the water is maybe 50 degrees. You'll need to make similar guesses for some of the other quantities involved too.
 
Pagan Harpoon said:
It says "estimate", so you're probably meant to make reasonable guesses at things like that. Suppose the temperature of the room is 20 degrees, the temperature of the water is maybe 50 degrees. You'll need to make similar guesses for some of the other quantities involved too.

okay,

so Q = 9KW

[tex]c = 4.198 KJ kg^{-1} K^{-1}[/tex]

T = 50C - 20C = 30C

so do I just solve for 'm'? Is that the flow rate?
 
Yes, that is probably the best approach.

I was thinking that you would also account for the fact that some of the shower's power is spent giving the water kinetic energy and you would need to make a guess at the pressure with which it comes out. Now that I look more closely at it, though, I think that effect is probably negligible compared to the heating.
 
Hello, Just wondering should I change KW to Watts?

cause when I do the calculation with 9KW I get

[tex]9 = m \times 4.198 \times 20[/tex]

[tex]m = 0.086[/tex] quite a small flow rate?

Also having a few troubles with the units, if I am calculating flow rate it should be kg/s

but if I do some dimensional analysis on this equation I just get mass ?

I know that [tex]W = \frac{J}{s}[/tex]

so does [tex]KW = \frac{kJ}{s}[/tex] ?

[tex]\frac{KJ}{s} = m \frac{KJ}{kg K} K[/tex]

[tex]\frac{KJ}{s} = \frac{m KJ}{kg}[/tex]
 
I think you did the arithmetic wrong there. Firstly, you're now using 20 degrees for the temperature change? I think that may be too low, but okay.

9/(4.198*20)=0.107

I think this is about right, consider if you held a 1 litre container under a shower, then with this flow rate, it would take 9 seconds to fill. That sound reasonable to me.

As for the dimensions, there is no problem. Consider that the dimensions of m here are kg/s because m is not a mass, it is how much mass passes every second. With this in mind, the equation you wrote balances.
 

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