Solve for a variable in the exponent

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The discussion revolves around solving equations of the form ln(a^x) = ln(b^x) for the variable x, where a and b are real numbers. Participants explore the manipulation of logarithmic expressions and the implications of different values of a and b.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially presents the equation ln(a^x) = ln(b^x) and seeks help in solving for x, noting that manipulating the logarithm leads to xln(a) = xln(b).
  • Another participant asserts that ln(a^x) = ln(b^x) holds true if and only if a = b.
  • A participant revises the equation to C*ln(a^x) = D*ln(b^x) and attempts to manipulate it further, leading to xC*ln(a) = xD*ln(b) and x(C*ln(a) - D*ln(b)) = 0.
  • Another participant suggests factoring x out rather than dividing by it, indicating that x could be equal to 0 or other values, emphasizing the importance of not losing the x=0 solution.
  • Some participants express uncertainty, suggesting that x can take on multiple values or that the phrasing of the problem may be incorrect, with one noting that the only true value for x for any real values of a and b is 0.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the conditions under which x can take specific values, with some asserting that x can be anything while others argue that it is only 0 under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of x in relation to a and b.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the problem, with some noting the need for clearer phrasing and the implications of different values for a and b on the solution for x.

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I can't remember how to solve an equation of the following form:

[tex]ln(a^x) = ln(b^x)[/tex]

I want to solve this for x where a and b are both real numbers. I know I can manipulate the logarithm to write:

[tex]xln(a) = xln(b)[/tex]

But this just seems to cancel out the x's. If you can show me how to solve this type of equation for x, I would very much appreciate it (it's not homework, just trying to remember how to do it).

Thank you for your time.
 
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As it should, ln(a^x) = ln(b^x) iff a = b
 
Good point. I think what I meant to say was:

[tex]C*ln(a^x) = D*ln(b^x)[/tex] where a,b,C,D are all real numbers.

This is currently what I'm thinking about it...

[tex]xC*ln(a) = xD*ln(b)[/tex]
[tex]xC*ln(a) - xD*ln(b) = 0[/tex]
[tex]x*(C*ln(a) - D*ln(b)) = 0[/tex]

It seems close, but I can't quite find x.
 
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Just factorize x out. If you ever feel like you want to divide through by the variable - stop - and rather factorize x out :wink:
This means x would be equal to 0 and possibly other values too. When you divide through by x, the denominator can never equal 0 therefore you lose your x=0 answer.

[tex]Cx ln a - Dx ln b=0[/tex]

[tex]x(C ln a - D ln b)=0[/tex]
 
NoMoreExams said:
As it should, ln(a^x) = ln(b^x) iff a = b

I think you have one too many f's in that statement.:wink: It is also true for all 'a' and 'b' if x=0.
 
It still looks like x can be anything though. Maybe I'm still phrasing the problem wrong. I remember doing something like this a long time ago and x had a definite value...

Thanks for your help anyway.
 
Bacat said:
It still looks like x can be anything though. Maybe I'm still phrasing the problem wrong.
It would look like (and be) true for all x if:

[tex]ln(a^x)=ln(b^x)[/tex] where [tex]a=b[/tex]

But the only true value for x for any real value of a and b is 0.
 

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