Solve for $\frac{dy}{dx}$ of $\ln(2xy)=e^{x+y}$

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) for the equation \(\ln(2xy) = e^{x+y}\). Participants explore implicit differentiation techniques and share their approaches to solving the problem.

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  • Some participants suggest implicitly differentiating both sides of the equation with respect to \(x\).
  • One participant expresses confusion about how to differentiate a nested factor on the left-hand side.
  • Another participant provides a proposed answer and asks for confirmation, indicating uncertainty about the correctness of their solution.
  • There are discussions about rearranging terms to isolate \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) and the steps involved in the differentiation process.
  • A later reply confirms a derived expression for \(\frac{dy}{dx}\) but does not assert it as the final answer, leaving room for further verification.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the final answer, and there are varying levels of understanding regarding the differentiation process. Some express confusion while others attempt to clarify the steps involved.

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Participants mention specific rules for differentiation, such as the chain and product rules, but do not fully resolve the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in the differentiation process.

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Find $\frac{dy}{dx}$

$$\ln\left({2xy}\right)=e^{x+y}$$

ok i tried to get both sides either $\ln$ or $e$ but couldn't
 
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karush said:
Find $\frac{dy}{dx}$

$$\ln\left({2xy}\right)=e^{x+y}$$

ok i tried to get both sides either $\ln$ or $e$ but couldn't

What you want to do here is implicitly differentiate both sides w.r.t $x$:

$$\frac{1}{2xy}\left(2\left(y+x\d{y}{x}\right)\right)=e^{x+y}\left(1+\d{y}{x}\right)$$

Now solve for $$\d{y}{x}$$...:)
 
really? I'm lost!

Is the answer btw? (this was from multiple choice)

$$\displaystyle\frac{xye^{x+y}-y}{x-xye^{x+y}}$$
 
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karush said:
really?

I'm lost!

Where did I lose you? (Wondering)
 
the left side how do you $dy/dx$ a nested factor
 
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karush said:
the left side how do dy/dx a nested factor

I'm not sure I know what you mean by that, but on the LHS, I applied the rule for differentiating the natural log function, along with the chain and product rules. :)
 
karush said:
Is the answer btw? (this was from multiple choice)

$$\displaystyle\frac{xye^{x+y}-y}{x-xye^{x+y}}$$

Let's go back to:

$$\frac{1}{2xy}\left(2\left(y+x\d{y}{x}\right)\right)=e^{x+y}\left(1+\d{y}{x}\right)$$

Divide out the common factor on the LHS:

$$\frac{1}{xy}\left(y+x\d{y}{x}\right)=e^{x+y}\left(1+\d{y}{x}\right)$$

Multiply through by $xy$:

$$y+x\d{y}{x}=xye^{x+y}\left(1+\d{y}{x}\right)$$

Distribute on the RHS:

$$y+x\d{y}{x}=xye^{x+y}+xye^{x+y}\d{y}{x}$$

Arrange with all terms having $$\d{y}{x}$$ as a factor on the LHS, and everything else on the RHS:

$$x\d{y}{x}-xye^{x+y}\d{y}{x}=xye^{x+y}-y$$

Factor:

$$x\left(1-ye^{x+y}\right)\d{y}{x}=y\left(xe^{x+y}-1\right)$$

Divide through by $$x\left(1-ye^{x+y}\right)$$:

$$\d{y}{x}=\frac{y\left(xe^{x+y}-1\right)}{x\left(1-ye^{x+y}\right)}\quad\checkmark$$
 
wow
much mahalo

that was a tough one
 

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