Solve for Impact Speed of 0.25kg Pine Cone Falling 20m

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The discussion revolves around calculating the impact speed of a 0.25 kg pine cone falling from a height of 20 meters, specifically considering the effects of air resistance in a follow-up question.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate potential and kinetic energy to find the impact speed, expressing uncertainty about their calculations and whether they are correct.
  • Some participants question the calculations of potential energy, particularly whether it should be 4.9 J or 49 J.
  • In a follow-up, the original poster raises a question about the average force of air resistance, noting the discrepancy between the calculated speed without air resistance and the given speed with air resistance.
  • Others suggest checking algebraic steps and calculations for accuracy.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on calculations and exploring different interpretations of the results. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the calculations, and participants are actively questioning and clarifying their understanding.

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Participants are working under the assumption that air resistance can be ignored for the initial calculation, but later consider its effects in a subsequent part of the problem. There is uncertainty regarding the correct values for potential energy and the implications of air resistance on the final speed.

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A 0.25 kg pine cone falls from a branch 20 meters above the ground.

a) What speed would it hit the ground if the air resistance could be ignored?

I am not too sure how to do this but this is what I've got so far:

m=0.25
g=9.8 m/s^2
F=2.45 J
h=20 m

Ep=(0.25kg)(9.8m/s)(20m) Ek=1/2mv^2
=4.9J 4.9J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2)
2(4.9J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2))
9.8J=(0.25kg)(2v^2)
-0.25 -0.25
9.55J=2v^2
------------
2
4.775 = v^2
root 4.775 = 2.2 m/s = v ?

is this even close to correct. I think I am doing something wrong
 
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right method...check your calculations
 
I am also not sure in my calculation of Potential Energy wether
Ep=(0.25kg)(9.8m/s^2)(20m)
= 4.9 or 49
 
get_rekd said:
A 0.25 kg pine cone falls from a branch 20 meters above the ground.

a) What speed would it hit the ground if the air resistance could be ignored?

I am not too sure how to do this but this is what I've got so far:

m=0.25
g=9.8 m/s^2
F=2.45 J
h=20 m

Ep=(0.25kg)(9.8m/s)(20m) Ek=1/2mv^2
=4.9J 4.9J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2)
2(4.9J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2))
9.8J=(0.25kg)(2v^2)
-0.25 -0.25
9.55J=2v^2
------------
2
4.775 = v^2
root 4.775 = 2.2 m/s = v ?

is this even close to correct. I think I am doing something wrong

Ep=(0.25kg)(9.8m/s)(20m) Ek=1/2mv^2
=49J 49J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2)
2(4.9J=1/2(0.25kg)(v^2))
98J=(0.25kg)(2v^2)
-0.25 -0.25
97.75J=2v^2
------------
2
48.87 = v^2
root 48.87 = 6.9 m/s = v ?
Would this be correct then?
 
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looks good...answer makes more sense
 
Thanks a lot!
 
So there is a part B to the problem:

If it actually hits the ground with a speed of 9.0 m/s, what was the average force of air resistance on it?

Since I got a velocity of 6.9 m/s with 0 air resistance in the first part of the problem wouldn't there be some force accelerating this cone in this part? Because a falling cone with air resistance should hit the ground slower than a cone with no air resistance?
 
watch your algebra in part (a)
 
Is it still wrong? I cannot seem to find where I made a mistake? Which section of the calculation?
 

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