Solve for r,t in the Polynomial $3x^3+rx^2+sx+t=0$ with a,b,c Prime

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The discussion revolves around solving for the coefficients \( r \) and \( t \) in the polynomial \( 3x^3 + rx^2 + sx + t = 0 \), given that \( a, b, c \) are prime numbers and roots of the polynomial. The participants explore relationships between \( a, b, c \) based on specific equations involving primes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Participants establish that \( c + 1 = 2a^2 \) and \( c^2 + 1 = 2b^2 \) must hold, with \( c \) being a prime.
  • One participant proposes a solution with \( a = 2 \), \( b = 5 \), and \( c = 7 \), leading to \( r = -42 \) and \( t = -210 \).
  • Another participant questions whether the solution \( a = 2, b = 5, c = 7 \) is unique, suggesting that the equations can be transformed into a form that relates \( c/b \) to lower convergents of \( \sqrt{2} \).
  • A further analysis shows that \( c \) must be greater than 7 based on the conditions derived from the equations, reinforcing the proposed values of \( a, b, c \).
  • Participants derive relationships among \( a, b, c \) through algebraic manipulation, concluding that \( c \) must equal \( a + b \) and confirming the values of \( r \) and \( t \) again as \( -42 \) and \( -210 \), respectively.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the values of \( r \) and \( t \) based on the proposed solution, but there is uncertainty regarding the uniqueness of the solution, with some participants suggesting that there may be other valid combinations of \( a, b, c \).

Contextual Notes

The discussion relies on specific assumptions about the relationships between \( a, b, c \) and their properties as primes. The uniqueness of the solution remains unresolved, as participants express differing views on whether other combinations exist.

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$a,b,c \in N$
$c+1=2a^2$
$c^2+1=2b^2$
c is a prime
a,b,c are roots of $ 3x^3+rx^2+sx+t=0 $
please find r and t
 
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Re: find f and t

It may not be an ellegent one i just gave it a shot$$
\begin{align*}c^2+2c+1&=4a^4\\c&=2a^4-b^2\end{align*}$$
I gave a try at a=2 so b is 5 and c is 7.
And 7 is also the first prime to satisfy both equations even individually too.
So r is -52 and t is -210
 
Re: find f and t

Albert said:
$a,b,c \in N$
$c+1=2a^2$
$c^2+1=2b^2$
c is a prime
a,b,c are roots of $ 3x^3+rx^2+sx+t=0 $
please find r and t
[sp]One solution is $a=2$, $b=5$ and $c=7$. Since $a+b+c = -r/3$ and $abc = -t/3$, that gives $r=-42$ and $t=-210$. But is that the only solution?

I think that it is, but I can't prove it. In fact, the equation $c^2+1=2b^2$ can be written $\bigl(\frac cb\bigr)^2 + \bigl(\frac 1b\bigr)^2 = 2$, so that $c/b$ is a lower convergent for $\sqrt2$. The condition $c+1=2a^2$ requires that $\frac12(c+1)$ is a square, and the only Pell number less than $10^9$ satisfying that condition is $7$. So any other solution for $c$ must be bigger than that.[/sp]
 
Re: find f and t

$a,b,c\in N,\,\, c:a\,\, prime$
$c+1=2a^2---(1)$
$c^2+1=2b^2---(2)$
(2)-(1):$c(c-1)=2(b-a)(b+a)---(3)$
from (1)(2)(3) we conclude :
$c\geq b \geq a,\,\, and \,\,\,\, c \mid (a+b),( or\,\, (a+b) \,\, mod \,\, c=0)--(4)$
$\therefore c=a+b, \rightarrow b=c-a$
from (3)
$c-1=2b-2a=2(c-a)-2a=2c-4a$
$\therefore c+1=4a=2a^2$
$\therefore a=2,c=7,b=5$
$\therefore r=-3\times (2+5+7)=-42,\,\, t=-3\times(2\times5\times7)=-210$
 
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