Solve Geodesic Problem for f:[a,b] to R

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The discussion focuses on solving the geodesic problem for the function f:[a,b] → R, specifically using the parameterization γ(u,v) = (f(u)cos(v), f(u)sin(v), u). The goal is to demonstrate that γ(t) = σ(u(t), c) is a geodesic in the manifold M, where c is a constant between 0 and 2π and M = σ(U) with U defined as {(u,v) | a < u < b and 0 < v < 2π}. The participants highlight difficulties in calculating the second derivative of σ(t) and suggest choosing u(t) to ensure the curve σ(u(t), c) is parameterized by arclength, leading to the equation u'(t)² + (f'(u)u'(t))² = 1.

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If f:[a,b] \to R is a positive real function and\gamma(u,v) = ( f(u)\cos (v), f(u) \sin (v), u) then show that

\gamma(t) = \sigma(u(t), c) is a geodesic in Mwhere c is a constant between 0 and2\pi and
M=\sigma(U) where U= \{ (u,v)| a&lt;u&lt;b and 0&lt;v&lt; 2\pi \}

Actually , I tried to calculate the second derivative of
\sigma(t) but that did not work and also I still have u in the first derivative

which means it is not constant

any suggestion? :\

Thanx
 
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:confused: no help?
 
wii said:
:confused: no help?

i don't know what u(t) is and M seems incorrectly defined
 
wii said:
If f:[a,b] \to R is a positive real function and\gamma(u,v) = ( f(u)\cos (v), f(u) \sin (v), u) then show that

\gamma(t) = \sigma(u(t), c) is a geodesic in Mwhere c is a constant between 0 and2\pi and
M=\sigma(U) where U= \{ (u,v)| a&lt;u&lt;b and 0&lt;v&lt; 2\pi \}

Actually , I tried to calculate the second derivative of
\sigma(t) but that did not work and also I still have u in the first derivative

which means it is not constant

any suggestion? :\

Thanx

OK. Now I think I understand your question.

Choose u(t) so that the curve \sigma(u(t), c) is parameterized by arclength.

This curve may be written as (u(t),f(u(t))cos(c),f(u(t))sin(c))

Its tangent has length one which is expressed in the equation

u'(t)^2 + (f'(u)u'(t))^2 = 1

Differentiate this equation with respect to t. The left hand side is the inner product of the tangent vector with the second derivative. The right hand side is zero. Thus the acceleration of the curve is perpendicular to its tangent. Now you need to show that it is perpendicular to the surface, U.
 
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