Solve Geodesic Problem for f:[a,b] to R

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that a specific curve defined by a positive real function \( f:[a,b] \to \mathbb{R} \) is a geodesic in a manifold \( M \). Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the problem, including the parameterization of the curve and the conditions required for it to be a geodesic.

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  • One participant presents the curve \( \gamma(u,v) = ( f(u)\cos (v), f(u) \sin (v), u) \) and seeks to show that \( \gamma(t) = \sigma(u(t), c) \) is a geodesic in \( M \).
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of \( u(t) \) and the manifold \( M \), suggesting that it may be incorrectly defined.
  • A later reply proposes choosing \( u(t) \) such that the curve \( \sigma(u(t), c) \) is parameterized by arclength, leading to a specific equation involving derivatives.
  • The same reply discusses differentiating the arclength condition and notes that the acceleration of the curve must be perpendicular to its tangent vector.

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Participants express confusion and disagreement regarding the definitions and parameters involved in the problem. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the variables or the formulation of the geodesic.

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Participants highlight potential issues with the definitions of \( u(t) \) and \( M \), indicating that assumptions may be missing or unclear. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps related to the second derivative and the conditions for the curve to be a geodesic.

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If f:[a,b] \to R is a positive real function and\gamma(u,v) = ( f(u)\cos (v), f(u) \sin (v), u) then show that

\gamma(t) = \sigma(u(t), c) is a geodesic in Mwhere c is a constant between 0 and2\pi and
M=\sigma(U) where U= \{ (u,v)| a<u<b and 0<v< 2\pi \}

Actually , I tried to calculate the second derivative of
\sigma(t) but that did not work and also I still have u in the first derivative

which means it is not constant

any suggestion? :\

Thanx
 
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:confused: no help?
 
wii said:
:confused: no help?

i don't know what u(t) is and M seems incorrectly defined
 
wii said:
If f:[a,b] \to R is a positive real function and\gamma(u,v) = ( f(u)\cos (v), f(u) \sin (v), u) then show that

\gamma(t) = \sigma(u(t), c) is a geodesic in Mwhere c is a constant between 0 and2\pi and
M=\sigma(U) where U= \{ (u,v)| a<u<b and 0<v< 2\pi \}

Actually , I tried to calculate the second derivative of
\sigma(t) but that did not work and also I still have u in the first derivative

which means it is not constant

any suggestion? :\

Thanx

OK. Now I think I understand your question.

Choose u(t) so that the curve \sigma(u(t), c) is parameterized by arclength.

This curve may be written as (u(t),f(u(t))cos(c),f(u(t))sin(c))

Its tangent has length one which is expressed in the equation

u'(t)^2 + (f'(u)u'(t))^2 = 1

Differentiate this equation with respect to t. The left hand side is the inner product of the tangent vector with the second derivative. The right hand side is zero. Thus the acceleration of the curve is perpendicular to its tangent. Now you need to show that it is perpendicular to the surface, U.
 
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