Solve Index Arithmetic Problem: ax^4≡2 (mod 13)

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The discussion revolves around the solvability of the congruence equation ax4 ≡ 2 (mod 13), specifically investigating for which values of a this equation holds true. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of modular arithmetic concepts.

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  • One participant suggests that the problem may relate to power residues, indicating uncertainty about the approach.
  • Another participant proposes finding all values of x2 mod 13 for x = 1 to 6, noting that the values repeat for x > 6. They identify specific values for x4 and corresponding a values.
  • A later post questions the meaning of the congruence notation, expressing confusion about the "mod" concept and its application in programming contexts.
  • Another participant clarifies that a ≡ b (mod n) means n divides a - b, and explains that congruences can be manipulated similarly to regular equations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the notation and concepts involved. There is no consensus on the approach to solving the problem, and some confusion remains about the modular arithmetic format.

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Some participants exhibit uncertainty about the application of modular arithmetic in programming and its representation in different contexts, which may limit their understanding of the problem.

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How would i go about solving the problem of for which values of a is the congruence ax^4≡2(mod 13) solvable? I think it might have something to do with power residues but I'm not sure.
Thanks
 
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buzzmath said:
How would i go about solving the problem of for which values of a is the congruence ax^4≡2(mod 13) solvable? I think it might have something to do with power residues but I'm not sure.
Thanks
I would first find all values of x^2 mod 13 for x = 1 to 6 since the possible values just repeat for x > 6. For x = 1,2 and 4 they are 1,4 and 3, respectively. For x = 3,5 and 6 they are -4, -1 and -3. Squaring those values give just three possible values of x^4, i.e., 1,9,3 having respective [tex]a[/tex] values of 2, 6 and 5.
If there is an easilier way, let someone else post it. Note that 5*3 = 2 mod 13, 2*3 = 6 mod 13 and 6*3 = 5 mod 13 so I guess that powers of 3 are significant here.
 
oops,, what is that "ax^4≡2(mod 13)" means ??
ax^4=13n+2 !?
how do you use this "mod" stuff,, I don't use it in this format,, because excel and VBA not in this format... ...
 
[tex]a \equiv b ~(mod~n)[/tex] means n divides a-b.

Congruences modulo the same number (n above) can be added, subtracted or multiplied together, just like regular equations.

Can't say I understand your "format" question.

Many programming languages (and possibly Excel) include a function along the lines of "mod(a,n)" which usually returns the smallest positive b, such that b == a (mod n).
 

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