Solve ln(x-1)/x-3=2 | Step-by-Step Guide

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The discussion revolves around solving the equation involving natural logarithms, specifically ln((x-1)/(x-3))=2. Participants are exploring various steps in the solution process, including transformations from logarithmic to exponential forms and the application of the quadratic formula. The focus is on clarifying the steps leading to the final solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty with the natural logarithm and presents an initial equation, ln((x-1)/(x-3))=2, but struggles to progress beyond a certain step.
  • Another participant reformulates the equation and derives a quadratic equation, suggesting the use of the quadratic formula to find solutions.
  • A correction is made regarding the initial equation, clarifying the logarithmic expression and the subsequent steps leading to x = 2/(e^2-1).
  • One participant provides a detailed derivation showing that x can also be expressed as (3e^2-1)/(e^2-1), which is presented as an alternative solution.
  • Questions arise about the derivation of specific terms in the equations, indicating a need for clarification on the steps taken.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the steps leading to the final solution, as multiple approaches and interpretations of the logarithmic equation are presented. Disagreements exist regarding the correct transformations and the resulting expressions for x.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over specific transformations and the introduction of terms, highlighting potential gaps in understanding the logarithmic properties and algebraic manipulations involved.

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hi , hope someone can help as i can't get past a certain step
the natural logs is the problem
ln(x-1/x-3)=2
i can get to this point here -1=x(e^2-1)-3
but the lecturer gave a solution of

3e^2-1/e^2-1 = 3.313035285 how do i get to this

the solution i got was this 2/e^2-1 =0.3130352855
 
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Okay, we are given:

$$\ln\left(x-\frac{1}{x}-3\right)=2$$

Converting from logarithmic to exponential form, we have:

$$x-\frac{1}{x}-3=e^2$$

Multiply through by $x$:

$$x^2-1-3x=e^2x$$

Arrange in standard quadratic form:

$$x^2-\left(e^2+3\right)x-1=0$$

Applying the quadratic formula, we obtain:

$$x=\frac{e^2+3\pm\sqrt{\left(e^2+3\right)^2+4}}{2}=\frac{e^2+3\pm\sqrt{e^4+6e^2+13}}{2}$$

This agrees with:

W|A - ln(x-1/x-3)=2
 
sorry this is what i meant , i wrote the equation the wrong way

this is the correct way

hi , hope someone can help as i can't get past a certain step
the natural logs is the problem
ln⁡((x-1)/(x-3))=2
i can get to this point here -1 = e_x^2-x-3
-1+3=x(ⅇ^2-1)
2 = x(ⅇ^2-1)
2/((ⅇ^2-1) )=x((ⅇ^2-1)/(ⅇ^2-1))
X = 2/(ⅇ^2-1)
the solution i got was this x= (2/(ⅇ^2-1)) → 0.3130352855

but the lecturer gave a solution of
(3ⅇ^2-1)/(ⅇ^2-1) = 3.313035285 how do i get to this
 
$$\ln\left(\frac{x-1}{x-3}\right)=2$$

$$\frac{x-1}{x-3}=e^2$$

$$x-1=xe^2-3e^2$$

$$x-xe^2=1-3e^2$$

$$x(1-e^2)=1-3e^2$$

$$x=\frac{1-3e^2}{1-e^2}$$

$$x=\frac{3e^2-1}{e^2-1}$$
 
hi , in your 3rd line of work where did the 2nd (e^2) come from
thanks
 
$$\frac{x-1}{x-3}=e^2$$

$$x-1=e^2(x-3)$$

$$x-1=xe^2-3e^2$$
 
thank you i could not see that brilliant
 

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