Solve Product Rule Problem: f(8)=7, g(8)=5, f'(8)=-4, g'(8)=6

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The discussion revolves around the application of the product and sum rules in calculus, specifically in the context of finding derivatives of functions at a given point. Participants are trying to clarify the correct approach to differentiate the sum of two functions and whether the product rule is applicable in this scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant attempts to apply the product rule incorrectly to the sum of two functions, suggesting a misunderstanding of the notation.
  • Another participant asserts that the derivative of the sum of two functions at a point is simply the sum of their derivatives, providing the calculation (f + g)'(8) = f'(8) + g'(8) = -4 + 6 = 2.
  • A third participant questions whether the original inquiry was about the product of the functions rather than their sum.
  • Further clarification is provided that the notation f(x) denotes the function value, while f represents the function itself, emphasizing the distinction between function values and functions in the context of calculus.

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Participants express differing views on the application of the product rule versus the sum rule. While some agree on the correct application of the sum rule, there is confusion regarding the initial interpretation of the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the approach.

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There is an emphasis on understanding function notation and the implications of adding functions versus their values. Some participants highlight the need for clarity in mathematical notation, which may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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If f(8) = 7, g(8) = 5, f '(8) = -4, and g '(8) = 6, find the following numbers.

(a) Find (f + g)'(8).



i was tryig to apply the product rule to this by doing (f+g)(8)'+(f+g)'(8)...so 0+(f+g)'(8)...so that would be (-4+6)8...but that is not the right way to do it...

please help me get on the right path...
 
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shouldn't it be (f+g)'(8) = f'(8) + g'(8) = -4+6 = 2?
 
Rasine: Could you be looking for (fg)'(8)?
 
Rasine said:
If f(8) = 7, g(8) = 5, f '(8) = -4, and g '(8) = 6, find the following numbers.

(a) Find (f + g)'(8).



i was tryig to apply the product rule to this by doing (f+g)(8)'+(f+g)'(8)...so 0+(f+g)'(8)...so that would be (-4+6)8...but that is not the right way to do it...

please help me get on the right path...
Why would you apply the product rule to a sum?

(f+ g)'(x)= f'(x)+ g'(x) so (f+ g)'(8)= -4+ 6= 2.

(fg)'(x)= f(x)g'(x)+ f'(x)g(x)= 7(6)+(-4)(5)= 42- 20= 22.

Where you under the impression that (f+ g)(8) meant f+ g times 8?? It doesn't, of course, it means the function f+ g applied to the number 8.
 
Your problem is quite simply stated:

You don't understand the NOTATION for functions.

When we write f(x), the WHOLE symbol "f(x)" denotes the function value, not just the "f"!
We reserve the single "f" symbol to denote the entire function, rather than any specific function value.

To ADD two functions, f and g, gives us a new function, conveniently symbolized as f+g, or equivalently, (f+g).(Note that this is "addition on a function space", where your elements are FUNCTIONS, rather than specific real numbers. Thus, "addition" has a different meaning, since the elements in a function space are not the same as numbers on the real number line, where "+" gained its first meaning. This overload of meaning given the symbol "+" is just something you have to learn&live with!)

The function value of the new function (f+g) is denoted as (f+g)(x).
Again, it is the ENTIRE symbol "(f+g)(x)" that denotes the function value, and not just a single part of it!

"Adding" two functions to form a new function should also include a recipe to compute the new function's function values in terms of the old functions' function values.
This recipe is given by the expression (f+g)(x)=f(x)+g(x).
That is, we gain (f+g)'s function values by adding together f's and g's function values.
 
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