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The discussion revolves around solving a set of problems related to a Venn diagram depicting various types of books at a bookstall, specifically focusing on translation and scientific translation books. The problems include determining the number of English scientific translation book types, identifying non-translation English book types, and calculating probabilities based on sales ratios.

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  • One participant proposes a method to calculate the number of English scientific translation book types based on the total number of translation types and the known quantities of non-English translations.
  • Another participant follows up with calculations to determine how many English book types are not translations, using the previously established numbers.
  • There is a suggestion to derive the probability of a randomly chosen student buying an English translation book type based on selling ratios, although this part remains undeveloped in the posts.

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Participants appear to agree on the initial setup and calculations regarding the English scientific translation book types and the non-translation English book types. However, there is no consensus on the probability calculation, as it has not been fully explored.

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The discussion relies on an incomplete Venn diagram and does not provide all necessary assumptions or definitions, which may affect the clarity of the calculations. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved, particularly regarding the probability aspect.

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(Sweating) Any Ideas on how to begin?

An incomplete Venn diagram containing the information about 100 types of books displayed at bookstall is shown in the figure.

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(i) There were 70 translation book types and also there were 40 scientific translation book types that were not in English. How many English scientific translation book types were there?

(ii) If there were 20 English book types, how many of them were not translations?

(iii) Show that the number of book types which were neither in English nor translations were $\frac{7}{25}$ of the total number of types displayed in the bookstall.

(iv) Taking into account the selling ratios of book types he had experienced during the previous sales the bookstall owner had brought the book types to the stall in the same ratio. Find the probability that a randomly chosen student who visited the bookstall had bought an English translation book type.

Many Thanks :)
 

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Let's begin with scientific translations. From the diagram, we see that there are two groups within it, English and non-English (of which there are 40).

We know there are 70 translations types total, so we may state:

70 = #English translations(non-scientific) + #English translations(scientific) + #non-English translations(non-scientific) + #non-English translations(scientific)

Fill in what we know so far:

70 = 7 + #English translations(scientific) + 12 + 40

70 = #English translations(scientific) + 59

11 = #English translations(scientific)

Okay, now look at the English types. There are 3 groups, and you now know two of them...can you get the third, which will answer part ii)?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's begin with scientific translations. From the diagram, we see that there are two groups within it, English and non-English (of which there are 40).

We know there are 70 translations types total, so we may state:

70 = #English translations(non-scientific) + #English translations(scientific) + #non-English translations(non-scientific) + #non-English translations(scientific)

Fill in what we know so far:

70 = 7 + #English translations(scientific) + 12 + 40

70 = #English translations(scientific) + 59

11 = #English translations(scientific)

Okay, now look at the English types. There are 3 groups, and you now know two of them...can you get the third, which will answer part ii)?

Thank you very much (Yes)(Smile)(Happy)

mathlearn said:
(ii) If there were 20 English book types, how many of them were not translations?

Many Thanks :)

20=(#english translations) +(#english scientific translations)+(#english)
20= 7+11+(#english)
20=18+(#english)
2=(#english)

So 2 of the english books were not translations;

Many Thanks MarkFL (Smile)
 
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