MHB Solve Simultaneous Equations: No/1/Inf Solns?

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The discussion revolves around solving the system of equations represented in matrix form and determining the conditions for the number of solutions based on the parameter μ. It is established that the system has a unique solution when the determinant of the coefficient matrix is non-zero, while it has no solutions or infinitely many solutions when the determinant is zero. A key finding is that μ = 9 is the only value for which the system has a solution. The participants emphasize the importance of correctly interpreting the reduced row echelon form to identify solution conditions. Ultimately, clarity on the conditions for different types of solutions is sought.
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$x+2y-z=2 \\
x-y+z =5 \\
3x+3y-z=\mu$

The question is for what value of the parameter has the equation (a) no solutions, (b) one solution, and (c) infinitely many solutions.

The trouble when I solve this system using guassian elimination I get $

(x, y, z) = ( -19-\frac{1}{2}\mu, 7, -7-\frac{1}{2}\mu)$
 
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Guest said:
$x+2y-z=2 \\
x-y+z =5 \\
3x+3y-z=\mu$

The question is for what value of the parameter has the equation (a) no solutions, (b) one solution, and (c) infinitely many solutions.

The trouble when I solve this system using guassian elimination I get $

(x, y, z) = ( -19-\frac{1}{2}\mu, 7, -7-\frac{1}{2}\mu)$

Write the system in matrix form as

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left[ \begin{matrix} 1 & \phantom{-}2 & -1 \\ 1 & -1 & \phantom{-}1 \\ 3 & \phantom{-}3 & -1 \end{matrix} \right] \left[ \begin{matrix} x \\ y \\ z \end{matrix} \right] = \left[ \begin{matrix} 2 \\ 5 \\ \mu \end{matrix} \right] \end{align*}$

The system will have unique solution if $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \begin{matrix} 1 & \phantom{-}2 & -1 \\ 1 & -1 & \phantom{-}1 \\ 3 & \phantom{-}3 & -1 \end{matrix} \right| \neq 0 \end{align*}$ and either no solution or infinite solutions if $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \left| \begin{matrix} 1 & \phantom{-}2 & -1 \\ 1 & -1 & \phantom{-}1 \\ 3 & \phantom{-}3 & -1 \end{matrix}\right| = 0 \end{align*}$.
 
But those determinants won't give me a condition on $\mu$.

Is there a way to read this off from the reduced row echelon form?
 
Guest said:
But those determinants won't give me a condition on $\mu$.

Is there a way to read this off from the reduced row echelon form?
As the question is stated there is no condition on [math]\mu[/math].

-Dan
 
topsquark said:
As the question is stated there is no condition on [math]\mu[/math].

-Dan
I found that $\mu = 9$ - and wolfram says that's the only value for which the system has solution.
 
Guest said:
I found that $\mu = 9$ - and wolfram says that's the only value for which the system has solution.
(Doh) That just shows that thinking the problem backward (as I did) is no substitute for thinking of it by simply solving the problem.

My apologies and thanks for the catch.

-Dan
 
I reduced the matrix to row reduced echelon form

$A =\begin{pmatrix} 1& 0& 1/3& 0\\ 0 &1 &-2/3 &0\\ 0& 0& 0& 1\end{pmatrix}$
 
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If I compute the determinant I get det(A) = 0.

Could someone please explain what the answer to the problem is.
 

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