Solve the problem that involves vector displacement

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Printed exam question: A and B are fixed points in the x-y plane with position vectors a and b. Part (a) asks for the geometrical significance of |a - b|; part (b) asks for that of the vector one half of (a + b). Each part is worth 1 mark.


My interest is on part ##a## only. Is the markscheme correct?

Part of a mark scheme table with rows (a) and (b): (a) Length of AB, B1, 1.2, accepted answers Magnitude of AB or distance from A to B, rejected answers Not magnitude of |a - b|; (b) Midpoint of AB, B1, 1.2, accepted answers Halfway between A and B.


I have ##BA= -b+a= a-b.## It therefore follows that ##|a-b|## is the Length of ##BA##...or are we saying it does not matter even if we have ... ##AB.## Cheers
 
and for part (b), going with ms
##AB=b-a.## Let the midpoint of ##AB=M##, then ##⇒AM=\dfrac{1}{2}(b-a)## unless i am missing something, there seems to be something wrong with the guide response...
 
chwala said:
Homework Statement:: See attached
Relevant Equations:: Vectors

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My interest is on part ##a## only. Is the markscheme correct?

View attachment 302156

I have ##BA= -b+a= a-b.## It therefore follows that ##|a-b|## is the Length of ##BA##...or are we saying it does not matter even if we have ... ##AB.## Cheers
##|AB| = |BA|##.
 
chwala said:
and for part (b), going with ms
##AB=b-a.## Let the midpoint of ##AB=M##, then ##⇒AM=\dfrac{1}{2}(b-a)## unless i am missing something, there seems to be something wrong with the guide response...
The textbook is correct. Try some example vectors to see where are ##\frac 12 (\mathbf b + \mathbf a)## and ##\frac 12 (\mathbf b - \mathbf a)##
 
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It is ##AM=\frac{1}{2}|\mathbf{b}-\mathbf{a}|## (notice we take the magnitude of b-a)

however (b) asks for the vector ##\frac{1}{2}(\mathbf{a}+\mathbf{b})##. The full detailed response should be that this vector is equal to the position vector of M.
 
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Thanks, let me look at this again...
 
PeroK said:
##|AB| = |BA|##.
I am aware of this...i was just concerned on the order of operation...noted with regards.
 
Delta2 said:
When is (vector equality follows) $$\frac{1}{2}(\mathbf{b}-\mathbf{a})=\frac{1}{2}(\mathbf{a}+\mathbf{b})$$?
If they have the same magnitude...
 
Delta2 said:
Nope. Hint: Solve the equation for ##\mathbf{a}##.
Ok...I'll look at this later...thanks...
 
Delta2 said:
Nope. Hint: Solve the equation for ##\mathbf{a}##.
I do not seem to understand your question, a quick look at those vectors informs me that we have to use Modulus! For them to be equal. You may inform me on this...
 
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chwala said:
I do not seem to understand your question, a quick look at those vectors informs me that we have to use Modulus! For them to be equal. You may inform me on this...
well you are kind of right, for all ##\mathbf{a}## those two vectors don't seem to be equal, except for one unique trivial ##\mathbf{a}=?##
 
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Delta2 said:
well you are kind of right, for all ##\mathbf{a}## those two vectors don't seem to be equal, except for one unique trivial ##\mathbf{a}=?##
except when ##a=0##
 
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Would also be interesting to find out what condition should hold between a,b so that $$|\mathbf{b}-\mathbf{a}|=|\mathbf{b}+\mathbf{a}|$$

There are 3 conditions, the two are trivial cases, and to find the third take the square of the above equality
 
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Delta2 said:
Would also be interesting to find out what condition should hold between a,b so that $$|\mathbf{b}-\mathbf{a}|=|\mathbf{b}+\mathbf{a}|$$

There are 3 conditions, the two are trivial cases, and to find the third take the square of the above equality
yes, the two trivial cases would be given by;

Let

##b-a=b+a##
## b-b=2a##
## 2a=0 ⇒a=0##

also

Let
##b-a=-(b+a)##
##2b=a-a##
## 2b=0 ⇒ b=0##

For the third one we have;
##b^2-2ab+a^2=b^2+2ab+a^2##
##2ab+2ab=0, ⇒4ab=0 , ⇒ab=0##
 
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Delta2 said:
what does it mean for the dot product ##\mathbf{a}\cdot\mathbf{b}## to be zero?
##i. j=0## implies vectors are perpendicular to each other, we also have ##i.i=1## This is basic to me...:smile:
 
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