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The discussion revolves around a problem involving spring forces and energy conservation, specifically focusing on the work-energy principle in the context of springs with different spring constants.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the work-energy principle, expressing confusion about incorporating spring forces into the energy equations. There are attempts to calculate energy stored in springs and questions about the initial and final energy states of the system.

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Some participants have provided attempts at calculations and engaged in clarifying the terms involved in the energy equations. There is ongoing exploration of how energy is conserved and transformed within the system, with some guidance offered on the relationship between initial and final energies.

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Participants note confusion stemming from the professor's lack of detailed explanations and the complexity of the textbook material. There is also a mention of needing to be cautious with units, as some calculations have led to misunderstandings regarding energy measurements.

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Saying that you have no idea doesn't count as an attempted solution. Have you read your class notes and/or text?
 
my professor doesn't go in details and book is to consusing but still I will give a try:

attempt: First I thought to use

W = delta KE + delta PE

but I was confused b/c i did not see a way to put those spring forces in there

so i was kindly asking for a help
 
dsptl said:
my professor doesn't go in details and book is to consusing but still I will give a try:

attempt: First I thought to use

W = delta KE + delta PE

but I was confused b/c i did not see a way to put those spring forces in there

so i was kindly asking for a help
Thank you for trying, your threads will generally get answered a lot quick if you show an attempted solution.

You're right to approach the problem using conservation of energy. You know that the work done by friction and the 400 N/m spring must be equal to the energy stored in the N/m spring.

Can you go from here?
 
is it like this:

F x S = Ef - Ei
 
dsptl said:
is it like this:

F x S = Ef - Ei
We'll take it a step at a time. What is the energy stored in the 200N/m spring before the block is released?
 
= .5k(x.x) + .5mv.v + mgh
 
dsptl said:
= .5k(x.x) + .5mv.v + mgh
Could you explain how each of the terms arise, what does each term represent?
 
1st is spring force , 2nd is kinetic energy and 3rd is potential enery, which is 0.
 
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dsptl said:
1st is spring force , 2nd is kinetic energy and 3rd is potential enery, which is 0.
Good. What about the kinetic energy, is that non-zero before the block is released?
 
  • #11
i think it is zero since Vi is 0
 
  • #12
dsptl said:
i think it is zero since Vi is 0
Correct. So, the total energy of the system is simply the energy stored by the spring, can you calculate it?

Now, when the block reaches the 400N/m spring is compresses it. So how much energy is stored in this spring? Can you also calculate this value?
 
  • #13
at intial = .5(200N/m)(.1 x .1) = 1N

at Final = .5(4000N/m)(.05 x .05) = .5 N
 
  • #14
do i just add them together?
 
  • #15
dsptl said:
do i just add them together?
No.

You started off with this much energy:
dsptl said:
at intial = .5(200N/m)(.1 x .1) = 1N
And ended up with this much energy:
dsptl said:
at Final = .5(4000N/m)(.05 x .05) = .5 N
Where did the rest of the energy go?

You also need to be careful with your units, the Newton is not a measure of energy.
 

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