Solving 1st order non-linear ODE

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The discussion revolves around solving a first-order non-linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by the equation $\d{y}{x}=\frac{3*(2x-7y)+6}{2*(2x-7y)-3}$. Participants explore various methods for solving the ODE, including substitutions and transformations, while also seeking to verify the equivalence of different solutions obtained through these methods.

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  • One participant presents a solution involving a transformation and arrives at an implicit solution, seeking verification against a solution provided by Wolfram Alpha.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution $u=2x-7y$ and derives a new form of the ODE, leading to an implicit solution that is similar to the first participant's approach.
  • A third participant reiterates the same substitution and arrives at the same implicit solution, indicating a shared method among contributors.
  • A fourth participant builds on the previous solutions, suggesting a different manipulation of the substitution and arriving at a final answer that they claim is equivalent to the earlier solutions.
  • One participant questions the meaning of "W" in the Wolfram Alpha solution, suggesting it may refer to the Lambert W function.

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Participants generally agree on the substitution method and the resulting forms of the implicit solutions, but there is no consensus on the equivalence of the solutions or the interpretation of the Lambert W function. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the verification of the solutions.

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Participants express uncertainty about the equivalence of their derived solutions and the solution provided by Wolfram Alpha. There are also unresolved aspects regarding the interpretation of the Lambert W function and its role in the solutions.

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I want to solve $\d{y}{x}=\frac{3*(2x-7y)+6}{2*(2x-7y)-3}.$ I don't know its step by step solution. But using some trick of solving ordinary differential equation (which I saw on the Internet), I got the following solution:-

$-\frac{17}{21}*(3x-2y)+ln(119y-34x-48)=C$. Now how to solve this answer for y(x)?

I also want to know its step by step solution.

If any member knows the correct answer, he/she may reply with correct answer. Your Wolfram Alpha DiffEq calculator gives this answer$y(x)=\frac{21}{34}\big(W\big(-e^{(289*x)/147+c_1-1} \big)+1\big)+\frac{4*x-3}{14}$

I don't understand how to verify my answer and (1) are equivalent or not?
 
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I would try the substitution:

$$u=2x-7y\implies \d{u}{x}=2-7\d{y}{x}\implies \d{y}{x}=\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}$$

Our ODE then becomes:

$$\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}=\frac{3u-6}{2u-3}$$

$$\d{u}{x}=\frac{36-17u}{2u-3}$$

$$\int\frac{2u-3}{36-17u}\,du=\int\,dx$$

$$-34u-21\ln(17u-36)+72=289x+C$$

Back-substitute for \(u\):

$$-34(2x-7y)-21\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)+72=289x+C$$

I thus get the implicit solution:

$$\frac{17}{3}(2y-3x)-\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)=c_1$$
 
MarkFL said:
I would try the substitution:

$$u=2x-7y\implies \d{u}{x}=2-7\d{y}{x}\implies \d{y}{x}=\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}$$

Our ODE then becomes:

$$\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}=\frac{3u-6}{2u-3}$$

$$\d{u}{x}=\frac{36-17u}{2u-3}$$

$$\int\frac{2u-3}{36-17u}\,du=\int\,dx$$

$$-34u-21\ln(17u-36)+72=289x+C$$

Back-substitute for \(u\):

$$-34(2x-7y)-21\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)+72=289x+C$$

I thus get the implicit solution:

$$\frac{17}{3}(2y-3x)-\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)=c_1$$
Nice! (Bow)

-Dan
 
MarkFL said:
I would try the substitution:

$$u=2x-7y\implies \d{u}{x}=2-7\d{y}{x}\implies \d{y}{x}=\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}$$

Our ODE then becomes:

$$\frac{2}{7}-\frac{1}{7}\cdot\d{u}{x}=\frac{3u-6}{2u-3}$$

$$\d{u}{x}=\frac{36-17u}{2u-3}$$

$$\int\frac{2u-3}{36-17u}\,du=\int\,dx$$

$$-34u-21\ln(17u-36)+72=289x+C$$

Back-substitute for \(u\):

$$-34(2x-7y)-21\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)+72=289x+C$$

I thus get the implicit solution:

$$\frac{17}{3}(2y-3x)-\ln(17(2x-7y)-36)=c_1$$

Hello,
Taking clue from your answer,
Let u=2x-7y, $\Rightarrow\d{u}{x}=2-7\d{y}{x}\Rightarrow\d{y}{x}=\frac27-\frac17\d{u}{x}$

Our ODE then becomes $\frac27-\frac17\d{u}{x}=\frac{3u+6}{2u-3}\Rightarrow \d{u}{x}=\frac{-17u-48}{2u-3}$

$\displaystyle\int \frac{2u-3}{-17u-48}=\displaystyle\int dx$

$-34u+147*\ln{|17u+48|}=289x+C$

$-34*(2x-7y)+147*\ln{|17(2x-7y)+48|}=289x+C$$-357x+238y+147*\ln{|34x-119y+48|}=C$ is the final answer.

So It proves that there is no difference between the trick used answer and my computed step by step answer.

What is the meaning of W in the answer given by WolframAlpha DiffEq calculator?
 
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I can't be certain but I suspect "W" is "Lambert's W function", also called the "omega function" or "product logarithm". It is defined as the inverse function to f(x)= xe^x. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambert_W_function.
 

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