Solving a Basic Math Contradiction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a perceived contradiction in the application of exponent rules, particularly when dealing with negative bases and fractional exponents. Participants explore the implications of raising negative numbers to fractional powers and the conditions under which exponent laws apply, with a focus on real versus complex values.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of raising -3 to the power of 1/2, noting it leads to the square root of -3, which is not a real number, while raising it to 2/4 appears to yield a real number.
  • Another participant suggests that the laws of exponents do not apply to complex numbers in the same way they do for real numbers, referencing a previous thread for additional context.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding a claim that a and b must be mutually prime when writing p^{a/b}, arguing that the demonstration of exponent rules seems valid regardless of this condition.
  • Further, a participant raises concerns about the equality of expressions like 64^{2/6} and 64^{1/3}, suggesting that they correspond to different polynomial equations and thus may not yield the same solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of exponent rules, particularly regarding the treatment of negative bases and the conditions for using fractional exponents. There is no consensus on the validity of the claims made about mutual primality or the equality of certain expressions.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in understanding the application of exponent rules, particularly in relation to complex numbers and the conditions under which certain mathematical statements hold true. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these conditions.

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Could someone please sort out this contradiction which must come from some very basic error - but where and which error? If you raise -3 to the power of 1/2, this gives the square root of -3 which has no real value, but if you raise it to the power of 2/4, you are finding the fourth root of -3 squared, which is the fourth root of +9 which is real. What is wrong here?

Thanks in anticipation.
 
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Roughly speaking, the "laws of exponents" do not apply to complex numbers in the same way they apply to real numbers. But certainly look at the link Diffy mentioned.
 
Thanks for that, but I do no fully follow the replies in the link. One reply says that when you write p[tex]^{a/b}[/tex], a and b must be mutually prime. The demonstration that p[tex]^{a/b}[/tex]= [tex]\sqrt<b>{p^{a}}</b>[/tex]seems to work whether they are or not.

e.g. p[tex]^{a_{1}/b}[/tex] X p[tex]^{a_{2}/b}[/tex] ...X p[tex]^{a_{b}/b}[/tex] = p[tex]^{ab/b}= p^{a}[/tex].

Thus p[tex]^{a/b}[/tex] = [tex]\sqrt<b>{p^{a}}</b>[/tex]. Where is the requirement there that they should be mutually prime? Or is it that the requirement is created by the need not to get into the contradiction?
 
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Aeneas said:
Thanks for that, but I do no fully follow the replies in the link. One reply says that when you write p[tex]^{a/b}[/tex], a and b must be mutually prime.

I am not sure where that person was going with that reply. Certainly one can compute an answer for [tex]64^{2/6}[/tex].
I think that what he was getting at is that you are in tricky waters when you start using equalities. For example [tex]64^{2/6}[/tex] and [tex]64^{1/3}[/tex] aren't necessarily equal. Consider the polynomials that these two expressions are solutions to, Sqrt(x^6) = 64 and x^3 = 64. For the first wouldn't you say the answer is 4 or -4? and for the second there is only one answer 4. Therefore how could you say the two statements are equal?
 

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