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The discussion revolves around solving the equation \( 1 + 2\sinh^2(z) = 0 \) for complex values of \( z \). Participants explore the implications of the equation, particularly focusing on the values of \( x \) and \( y \) in the context of complex analysis and trigonometric identities. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to hyperbolic functions and their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a step-by-step solution to the equation, leading to complex values for \( \sinh(z) \) and subsequently splitting the equation into real and imaginary parts.
  • Another participant points out that since \( \cosh(x) \ge 1 \) for all real \( x \), the equation \( \cosh(x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \) does not have a real solution.
  • A different approach is suggested using the substitution \( z = iw \) to simplify the problem, leading to the equation \( \sin(w) = \pm \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \).
  • Participants discuss the implications of using the arcsine function and the inclusion of periodic terms in the solution for \( w \), referencing the unit circle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the solution process and the existence of real solutions. While some agree on the validity of the alternative method presented, others maintain their original approach, leading to an unresolved discussion regarding the best method to solve the equation.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the nature of solutions in the complex plane and the implications of the periodicity of trigonometric functions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on definitions of hyperbolic and trigonometric functions.

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Dear Everyone,

I have a question about how to solve for x near the end of the problem:
\[ 1+2\sinh^{2}(z)=0 \]

Here is the solution and work:
\[ 1+2\sinh^2(z)=0 \\ \sinh^2(z)=\frac{-1}{2}\\ \sqrt{\sinh^2(z)}=\pm \sqrt{\frac{-1}{2}}\\ \sinh(z)=\pm i\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\\ \]

Then we can split the positive complex number and the negative complex number.
\[ \sinh(z)= \frac{i}{\sqrt{2}}\ \text{or} \sinh(z)= \frac{-i}{\sqrt{2}} \]

Let's focus on the positive complex number. (The method will be identical to the negative complex):
\[ \sinh(z)=\frac{i}{\sqrt{2}} \]

We know that \( \sinh{z}=\sinh{x} \cos{y}+i \cosh{x} \sin{y} \). So by plugin the identity for $\sinh{z}$, we yield this equation:
\[ \cos{y} \sinh{x} +i \cosh{x} \sin{y}=\frac{i}{\sqrt{2}} \]

We can use this fact that $a+bi=c+di$ is equal if and only if $a=c$ and $b=d$. So the equation can be split off to the real part and the imaginary part on both sides of the equation; we yield:
\[ \cos {y} \sinh{x} =0\ \text{and} \ \sin{y} \cosh{x}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \]

We need to solve the real part first because we can gain some conditions on $x$ and $y$ for the imaginary part of the equation:
\[ \cos{y} \sinh{x}=0\\ \cos{y}=0\ \text{or} \sinh{x}=0 \\ y=\frac{\pi}{2}+n\pi\, \ \forall n\in \mathbb{Z}\,\ \text{or}\ x=0 \]

For the imaginary part:
For $x=0$, $\cosh(0)\sin{y}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \implies \sin{y}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$ Note that $\cosh(0)=1$.
$y=\frac{\pi}{4}+n\pi$, for all $n\in\mathbb{Z}$.

For $y=\frac{\pi}{2}+n\pi$,
Case 1: $n=2m$ , where $m\in\mathbb{Z}$
We know that $\sin({\frac{\pi}{2}+2m\pi})=1$, so we can simplify the equation:
\[ \cosh{x}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \]
We can use the definition of $\cosh{x}$ in the form of the exponential functions nd solve the quadratic equations in terms of $e^x$:
\[ \frac{e^{x}+e^{-x}}{2}=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\\ e^x+e^{-x}=\sqrt{2} \\ e^x+\frac{1}{e^x}=\sqrt{2}\\ e^{2x}-\sqrt{2}e^x+1=0\\ e^x=\frac{\sqrt{2}\pm\sqrt{2-4}}{2} \]
\[ e^x=\frac{\sqrt{2}\pm i\sqrt{2}}{2} \]

We want to solve the $x$. I am confused by the next step.




For $y=\frac{\pi}{2}+n\pi$,
Case 2: $n=2m+1$ , where $m\in\mathbb{Z}$
We know that $\sin({\frac{\pi}{2}+(2m+1)\pi})=-1$, so we can simplify the equation:
\[ \cosh{x}=\frac{-1}{\sqrt{2}} \]
We can use the definition of $\cosh{x}$ in the form of the exponential functions nd solve the quadratic equations in terms of $e^x$:
\[ \frac{e^{x}+e^{-x}}{2}=\frac{-\sqrt{2}}{2}\\ e^x+e^{-x}=-\sqrt{2} \\ e^x+\frac{1}{e^x}=-\sqrt{2}\\ e^{2x}+\sqrt{2}e^x+1=0\\ e^x=\frac{-\sqrt{2}\pm\sqrt{2-4}}{2} \]
\[ e^x=\frac{-\sqrt{2}\pm i\sqrt{2}}{2} \]

We want to solve the $x$. I am confused by the next step as well.

Do we need to worry about the negative complex numbers as well?Thanks for your help,
Cbarker1
 
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Cbarker1 said:
\[ e^x=\frac{-\sqrt{2}\pm i\sqrt{2}}{2} \]

We want to solve the $x$. I am confused by the next step as well.

Do we need to worry about the negative complex numbers as well?

The $x$ here is supposed to be a real number. Since your solution will be complex, it means there is no solution for $x$ in this case.
Note that $\cosh(x)\ge 1$ for all real $x$, so from $\cosh x=\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$, we could already see that it would not have a solution.

Either way, you're making it a bit more complicated than it needs to be.
Consider that \( \sinh(iw)=\frac 12(e^{iw}-e^{-iw}) = i\frac 1{2i}(e^{iw}-e^{-iw}) = i\sin(w) \).

So substitute $z=iw$ to find:
\[ \sinh z=\pm\frac i{\sqrt 2} \\ \sinh(iw)=\pm i\frac 1{\sqrt 2} \\ i\sin(w)=\pm i\frac 1{\sqrt 2} \\ \sin(w)=\pm\frac 1{\sqrt 2} \\ w=\frac\pi 4+k\frac\pi 2 \\ z=i\Big(\frac\pi 4+k\frac\pi 2\Big) \]
 
OK. I learned about my method in my university's complex analysis course as an undergrad. Your method is much simpler.
 
Klaas van Aarsen said:
sin(w)=±12–√w=π4+kπ2z=i(π4+kπ2)
Did you used the $\arcsin(u)$ , where $u$ is some function, on both side of the equation to find $w$. How did you found out that $w$ needs to include this part $\frac{k\pi}{2}$?
 
Cbarker1 said:
Did you used the $\arcsin(u)$ , where $u$ is some function, on both side of the equation to find $w$. How did you found out that $w$ needs to include this part $\frac{k\pi}{2}$?
It's from the unit circle in combination with the fact that $\sin\frac\pi 4=\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$ is a 'standard' formula.
\begin{tikzpicture}[scale=4]
\draw[help lines] ({1/sqrt(2)},{1/sqrt(2)}) -- ({-1/sqrt(2)},{1/sqrt(2)}) -- ({-1/sqrt(2)},{-1/sqrt(2)}) -- ({1/sqrt(2)},{-1/sqrt(2)}) -- cycle;
\draw[help lines] ({-1/sqrt(2)},{-1/sqrt(2)}) -- ({1/sqrt(2)},{1/sqrt(2)}) ({-1/sqrt(2)},{1/sqrt(2)}) -- ({1/sqrt(2)},{-1/sqrt(2)}) -- cycle;
\path ({1/sqrt(2)},0) node[fill=black!5,below] {$\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$};
\path (0,{1/sqrt(2)}) node[fill=black!5,left] {$+\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$};
\path (0,{-1/sqrt(2)}) node[fill=black!5,left] {$-\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$};
\draw[-latex] (0,0) node[above right,xshift=.8cm] {$\frac\pi 4$} (0.2,0) arc (0:45:0.2);
\draw[-latex] (-1.2,0) -- (1.2,0) node[above] {$x$-axis};
\draw[-latex] (0,-1.2) -- (0,1.2) node[ right ] {$y$-axis};
\draw[blue, ultra thick] (0,0) circle (1);
\end{tikzpicture}

In the unit circle we can see that there are 4 angles that correspond to $\sin \theta=\pm\frac 1{\sqrt 2}$, and they have an angle of $\frac\pi 2$ between them.
 

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