Solving a Little Problem on Irrational Values & Functions

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving irrational numbers and a specific function defined as f(kx) = kx - [kx], where k is an integer within the interval [0, N]. Participants are examining the implications of the function's values and their distribution across defined intervals.

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  • Participants are exploring the reasoning behind the assertion that f has N+1 values within the intervals [i/N, (i+1)/N] for integers i in [0, N-1]. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of f(kx) in these intervals and the overall coverage of [0, 1] by the intervals.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the function values and the specified intervals. Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the distribution of values and the existence of two specific values k1 and k2 that meet a certain condition, contributing to the understanding of the problem.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the exercise, which involves irrational numbers and specific integer intervals. The nature of the function and its values is under scrutiny, particularly how they relate to the defined intervals and the implications of having multiple values within the same interval.

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Hi everyone,

I’m studying the correction of an exercise and I there are some points I can’t see:
In this exercise, we introduce a irrational x and function f so that f(kx)=kx-[kx] with k an integer included in the interval [0,N].

It is said that f has N+1 values (Ok) that are included in the intervals [i/N,(i+1)/N] for i integers included in [0,N-1]… I can’t see this last point. If anyone could help me understand this point…

Thanks in advance!
 
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[itex]y-[y]\in [0,1][/itex]
[itex]\cup\{[i/N,i+1/N]:i\in \mathbb{Z}\cap [0,N-1]\}=[0,1][/itex].
Is it saying anything more than that?
 
Nothing else, they just say that for each k integer included in [0,N], x an irrational, there exists an i integer included in [0,N-1] so that f(kx) is included in the interval [i/N,(i+1)/N] (and then, for the rest of the exercise, since there are N+1 values and N intervals, there are two values included in the same [i/N,(i+1)/N]).

But I don't know why f(kx) is included in [i/N,(i+1)/N]...
 
It's not saying f(kx) is included in any particular [i/N,(i+1)/N], only that it's somewhere in [0,1] and since the sets [i/N,(i+1)/N] cover the whole of [0,1] it's got to be in one of them.
 
Ok Martin I got it. (In fact, the important in this exercise is that there exists two values k1 and k2 so that abs(f(k1x)-f(k2x))<=1/N.)

Thanks very much!
 
Yes I guessed that. Glad to be of help.
 

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