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The discussion revolves around solving a system of simultaneous equations: $5x^2y-4xy^2+3y^3-2(x+y)=0$ and $xy( x^2+y^2)+2=(x+y)^2$. Participants explore various methods for solving these equations, expressing a desire for more efficient approaches and sharing their own solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a method involving factoring the second equation and deriving conditions $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy=1$, noting that solutions include $(1,1)$ and $(-1,-1)$.
  • Another participant suggests that trigonometric substitutions are unnecessary and that the equations can be solved directly using the derived conditions.
  • Further elaboration on the method shows that substituting $x^2+y^2=2$ into the first equation leads to a simplification that results in the factorization $(xy-1)(x-2y)=0$.
  • Participants express appreciation for each other's insights and clarify their methods, indicating a collaborative effort to refine their approaches.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the necessity of trigonometric substitutions, as some participants argue against their use while others initially employed them. The discussion remains open with multiple approaches being explored.

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Participants rely on specific algebraic manipulations and substitutions, which may depend on particular assumptions about the variables involved. The discussion does not resolve the potential complexities or limitations of the methods proposed.

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Hi MHB,

I've recently come across the following simultaneous equation problem:

$5x^2y-4xy^2+3y^3-2(x+y)=0$ and $xy( x^2+y^2)+2=(x+y)^2$.

I solved it, it isn't a hard problem, but I would think my method is way too tedious, I was wondering if there exists a more neater approach for this particular problem. If you have another method to solve it, could you please share your solution with me?

Many thanks in advance.

My solution:

Observe that we can actually factor the second equation and get:

$xy(x^2+y^2)+2=x^2+y^2+2xy$

$(x^2+y^2)(xy-1)+2(1-xy)=0$

$(x^2+y^2-2)(xy-1)=0$

So, we have either $x^2+y^2=2$ and/or $xy=1$.

We also note that if $(x,\,y)$ is a solution, then so is $(-x,\,-y)$.

It's not hard to see that $x=y=1$ and $x=y=-1$ are two possible solutions when $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy=1$ hold.

Now, we let $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy\ne 1$.

In this case, we have:

$x^2+y^2=2$

$\left(\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2+\left(\dfrac{y}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2=1$

And let $x=\sqrt{2}\sin \theta$ and $y=\sqrt{2}\cos \theta$

Replacing these two into the first given equation gives:

$4\cos \theta-2\cos^3 \theta=\sin \theta+4\sin \theta \cos^2 \theta$ which is equivalent to

$\tan^3 \theta-4\tan^2 \theta+5\tan \theta-2=0$

Solving for $\tan \theta$ we see that

$\tan \theta=1\implies \sin \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}},\,\cos \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$, i.e. $x=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)=1=y$

$\tan \theta=2\implies \sin \theta=\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}},\,\cos \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}}$, i.e. $x=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}}\right)=2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}$, $y=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}}\right)=\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}$

Therefore the solutions to the given system are

$(x,\,y)=(1,\,1),\,(-1,\,-1),\,\left(2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}},\,\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}\right),\,\left(-2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}},\,-\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}\right)$.
 
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anemone said:
Hi MHB,

I've recently come across the following simultaneous equation problem:

$5x^2y-4xy^2+3y^3-2(x+y)=0$ and $xy( x^2+y^2)+2=(x+y)^2$.

I solved it, it isn't a hard problem, but I would think my method is way too tedious, I was wondering if there exists a more neater approach for this particular problem. If you have another method to solve it, could you please share your solution with me?

Many thanks in advance.

My solution:

Observe that we can actually factor the second equation and get:

$xy(x^2+y^2)+2=x^2+y^2+2xy$

$(x^2+y^2)(xy-1)+2(1-xy)=0$

$(x^2+y^2-2)(xy-1)=0$

So, we have either $x^2+y^2=2$ and/or $xy=1$.

We also note that if $(x,\,y)$ is a solution, then so is $(-x,\,-y)$.

It's not hard to see that $x=y=1$ and $x=y=-1$ are two possible solutions when $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy=1$ hold.

Now, we let $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy\ne 1$.

In this case, we have:

$x^2+y^2=2$

$\left(\dfrac{x}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2+\left(\dfrac{y}{\sqrt{2}}\right)^2=1$

And let $x=\sqrt{2}\sin \theta$ and $y=\sqrt{2}\cos \theta$

Replacing these two into the first given equation gives:

$4\cos \theta-2\cos^3 \theta=\sin \theta+4\sin \theta \cos^2 \theta$ which is equivalent to

$\tan^3 \theta-4\tan^2 \theta+5\tan \theta-2=0$

Solving for $\tan \theta$ we see that

$\tan \theta=1\implies \sin \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}},\,\cos \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}$, i.e. $x=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}\right)=1=y$

$\tan \theta=2\implies \sin \theta=\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}},\,\cos \theta=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}}$, i.e. $x=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}}\right)=2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}$, $y=\sqrt{2}\left(\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}}\right)=\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}$

Therefore the solutions to the given system are

$(x,\,y)=(1,\,1),\,(-1,\,-1),\,\left(2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}},\,\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}\right),\,\left(-2\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}},\,-\sqrt{\dfrac{2}{5}}\right)$.

Hi anemone, :)

I think it's not necessary to use trigonometric substitutions. After obtaining $x^2+y^2=2$ and/or $xy=1$ from the second equation we can use the first equation with,

1) $xy=1$ which will give us $(1,1)$ or $(-1,-1)$.

2) $x^2+y^2=2$ which will give us $xy=1$ or $x=2y$. Solving $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy=1$ gives us the same two answers obtained above and solving $x^2+y^2=2$ and $x=2y$ will give us $\left(\pm 2\sqrt{\frac{2}{5}},\pm\sqrt{\frac{2}{5}}\right)$.
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi anemone, :)

I think it's not necessary to use trigonometric substitutions. After obtaining $x^2+y^2=2$ and/or $xy=1$ from the second equation we can use the first equation with,

1) $xy=1$ which will give us $(1,1)$ or $(-1,-1)$.

2) $x^2+y^2=2$ which will give us $xy=1$ or $x=2y$. Solving $x^2+y^2=2$ and $xy=1$ gives us the same two answers obtained above and solving $x^2+y^2=2$ and $x=2y$ will give us $\left(\pm 2\sqrt{\frac{2}{5}},\pm\sqrt{\frac{2}{5}}\right)$.

Hi Sudharaka!:)

Thank you so much for your reply, I see it now, if we substitute $x^2+y^2=2$ into the first equation wisely, we will get:

$5x^2y+3y^3=2(x+y)+4xy^2$

$5x^2y+3y^3=2x+4xy^2+2y$

$5x^2y+3y^3-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$3y(x^2y+y^2)+2x^2y-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$3y(2)+2x^2y-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$2x^2y+4y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$x^2y+2y=x+2xy^2$

$(xy-1)(x-2y)=0$

And the rest is pretty self-explanatory...thank you Sud! I appreciate the help!
 
anemone said:
Hi Sudharaka!:)

Thank you so much for your reply, I see it now, if we substitute $x^2+y^2=2$ into the first equation wisely, we will get:

$5x^2y+3y^3=2(x+y)+4xy^2$

$5x^2y+3y^3=2x+4xy^2+2y$

$5x^2y+3y^3-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$3y(x^2y+y^2)+2x^2y-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$3y(2)+2x^2y-2y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$2x^2y+4y=2(x+2xy^2)$

$x^2y+2y=x+2xy^2$

$(xy-1)(x-2y)=0$

And the rest is pretty self-explanatory...thank you Sud! I appreciate the help!

You are welcome. Yep that would do. What I did was,

\[5x^2y-4xy^2+3y^3-2(x+y)=0\]

\[y(5x^2-4xy+3y^2)-2x-2y=0\]

\[y(2x^2-4xy+6)-2x-2y=0\]

\[2x^2 y-4xy^2+4y-2x=0\]

And you group the similar terms together. :)
 

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