Solving Absolute Value Equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of absolute value equations, specifically the equations $\displaystyle |x+y|+|1-x|=6$ and $\displaystyle |x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$. Participants share their approaches, solutions, and insights into the problem-solving process, exploring various methods and cases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a solution of $x=-2$ and $y=-1$.
  • Another participant suggests that there is an additional solution pair of $x=-\frac{14}{3}$ and $y=\frac{13}{3}$.
  • A participant describes their method of solving the equations by considering different cases based on the signs of the expressions involved.
  • Some participants express interest in seeing the solutions of others to compare methods.
  • One participant mentions the potential for a shortcut in solving the system, indicating a desire for more efficient methods.
  • Another participant prefers to use the approach of setting $|x|=a$ to ensure all cases are considered.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the identified solutions but there is no consensus on the most efficient method to solve the system. Multiple approaches and methods are discussed, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the completeness of their solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for missing solutions due to the nature of absolute value equations, indicating that their methods may not capture all possibilities.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in mathematical problem-solving, particularly in the context of absolute value equations, may find the various approaches and discussions beneficial for understanding different methods and reasoning processes.

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Solve the system below:

$\displaystyle |x+y|+|1-x|=6$

$\displaystyle |x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$

I've solved this problem and my intention is purely to gain another insights on how others would approach it and I surely hope you find this problem as an interesting one!:)
 
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x=-2 , y=-1 .
 
anemone said:
Solve the system below:

$\displaystyle |x+y|+|1-x|=6$

$\displaystyle |x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$

I've solved this problem and my intention is purely to gain another insights on how others would approach it and I surely hope you find this problem as an interesting one!:)
That system is a very pretty problem. Could you show us your solution so we can see how you did it and see what other ways we can come up with?

Without having actually solved the problem it looks like you could solve the top equation for y and stick it in the second equation and solve for x. But it's likely to be a bit of a mess.

-Dan
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
x=-2 , y=-1 .

Yes, that's correct(:cool:) but Zaid, you missed out another pair of answer where $\displaystyle x=-\frac{14}{3}$, $\displaystyle y=\frac{13}{3}$.

By the way, do you mind to share with me of your solution (but not the final answers)?

I will post my solution in full today too!:)
 
anemone said:
Yes, that's correct(:cool:) but Zaid, you missed out another pair of answer where $\displaystyle x=-\frac{14}{3}$, $\displaystyle y=\frac{13}{3}$.

By the way, do you mind to share with me of your solution (but not the final answers)?

I will post my solution in full today too!:)

I expected to miss other solutions because I solved it by observation , no real method ...
 
My solution:

$\displaystyle |x+y|+|1-x|=6$

$\displaystyle |x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$

My method is to consider the cases
A. $x+y\geq0$ or
B. $x+y<0$
for the following sub cases (I know it sounds extremely tedious but it is far from it if you read on...):
i. $1-x\geq0$ for the sub cases $y<1$ or $y\geq1$
ii. $1-x<0$ for the sub cases $y<1$ or $y\geq1$

Case A (i) +$y<1$ :
$x+y\geq0$, $1-x\geq0$ and $y<1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$:

$\displaystyle x+y+1-x=6$ which immediately implies $y=5$.

But bear in mind that in this case, $y<1$, thus, this is not a valid case.

Case A (i)+$y\geq1$:
$x+y\geq0$, $1-x\geq0$ and $y\geq1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$:

$\displaystyle x+y+1-x=6$, which immediately implies $y=5$.

But since $y<1$, this is not a valid case either and notice that the setting of this case does not give us another solution that is different from case 1.

Case A (ii)
+$y<1$ :
$x+y\geq0$, $1-x<0$ and $y<1$


From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$:

$ x+y-(1-x)=6$

$ 2x+y=7$From $|x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$:

$x+y+1+1-y=4$

$x=2$ and $ y=7-2x=7-2(2)=3$

But $y<1$, thus, this isn't a valid case either.

Case A (ii)+$y\geq1$:
$x+y\geq0$, $1-x<0$ and $y\geq1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$, we get $ 2x+y=7$, and From $|x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$:

$x+y+1-(1-y)=4$

$x+2y=4$

$ 2x+y=7$

Solving these for y, we obtain $y=\frac{1}{3}$.

Since $y\geq1$, we need to eliminate this case too.

So, there are no solutions if $x+y\geq0$.

Now, let's start with the case B...(I'll do it in a separate post for easy reading.)
 
Case B (i) +$y<1$ :
$x+y<0$, $1-x\geq0$ and $y<1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$:

$-(x+y)+1-x=6$

$2x+y=-5$From $|x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$:

$|x-5-2x+1|+1-y=4$

$|-x-4|=y+3$ or $|x+4|=y+3$

$x+4=-(y+3)$ or $x+4=y+3$

$x+y=-7$ or $x-y=-1$

Solving $x+y=-7$ and $2x+y=-5$ simultaneously, we get $x=2$ which contradicts our assumption that $1-x\geq0$.

Solving $x-y=-1$ and $2x+y=-5$ simultaneously, we get $x=-2$, $y=-1$ and this satisfies all of the constraints and thus, this is a pair of valid solutions.

Case B (i)+$y\geq1$:
$x+y<0$, $1-x\geq0$ and $y\geq1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$, we get $2x+y=-5$.From $|x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$:

$|x+y+1|-(1-y)=4$

$|x-5-2x+1|=5-y$

$|-x-4|=5-y$

$|x+4|=5-y$

$x+4=-(5-y)$ or $x+4=5-y$

$x-y=-9$ or $x+y=1$

Solving $x-y=-9$ and $2x+y=-5$ simultaneously, we get $\displaystyle x=-\frac{14}{3}$, $\displaystyle y=\frac{13}{3}$ and this satisfies all of the constraints and thus, this is another pair of valid solutions.

Since $x+y=1$ contradicts the assumption that $x+y<0$, we'll just ignore this case.

Case B (ii)
+$y<1$ :$x+y<0$, $1-x<0$ and $y<1$

From $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$:

$ -(x+y)-(1-x)=6$, this implies $y=-7$.From $|x+y+1|+|1-y|=4$:

$|x-7+1|+|1-(-7)|=4$

$|x-6|=-4$

and this isn't right because the absolute value can't be negative.

Case B (ii)+$y\geq1$:
$x+y<0$, $1-x<0$ and $y\geq1$

We get $y=-7$ from $ |x+y|+|1-x|=6$. But we have our assumption where $y\geq1$, thus, this isn't a valid case either.

Thus, we can conclude that the only solutions to the original system are $x=-\frac{14}{3}$, $y=\frac{13}{3}$ and $x=-2$, $y=-1$.
 
As expected you went into all cases I wonder if there is a shortcut .
 
I would actually prefer to use that |x|=a then $x=\pm a$ so I don't miss one of the cases .
 
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anemone,

Thank you for taking the time and effort to post your solution...I know that must've taken quite some time to so clearly elucidate all of the resulting cases. (Yes)

ZaidAlyafey,

If you come up with a shorter method, we're all eyes...(Nod) (Poolparty)
 

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