Solving Banked Road Problem with Car Speeds of 48 km/h

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem concerning a banked curve for a car traveling at a specific speed. The original poster, Bernie, is attempting to calculate the banking angle for a frictionless scenario with given parameters, but encounters discrepancies with textbook values.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the importance of unit conversion, with suggestions to convert speed from km/h to m/s. There is also a focus on understanding the forces acting on the car, particularly in relation to centripetal acceleration and normal force.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on unit conversion and questioning the assumptions underlying the calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach yet, as participants explore different interpretations of the forces involved.

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Bernie expresses frustration over a previous units mistake, indicating a need for careful attention to units in physics problems. Another participant is preparing for a test and seeks clarification on the relationship between normal force and gravitational force in the context of banked curves.

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OK, last time I'll bother you guys today. I'm just having a tough time getting things to work out.

A curve of radius 30m is banked so that a car can round the curve at 48km/h even if the road is frictionless. Calculate the banking angle theta for these conditions.

I have;

tan(theta) = v^2 / gr

tan(theta) = 48^2 / (9.8 * 30)

tan(theta) = 7.8367

theta = 82.7 deg

The book has 31 deg.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Bernie
 
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48km/h is a dangerous thing to plug into an equation like that. As a habbit always plug the units in with their numbers
 
You will have to convert 48 km/h to m/s. Or, convert 30m to km and 9.8 m/s^2 to km/hr^2.
 
Argh, Thud, thud, thud ...
(The sound of beating my head on the desk again.(

That's the second time I made a units mistake last night. My montra for today will be "Check the units!"

Bernie
 
Help!

Okay, so I am doing a similar problem involving a car driving on a banked, circular track (theta=31degrees). I know that to find the centripetal acceleration, I am supposed to say that (mv^2)/r = nsin(theta). Then, I have to solve for n by saying that ncos(theta)=mg. However, I am confused... why can't n=mgcos(theta). My understanding is that two forces are equal in magnitude if the object doesn't move in either direction. The car doesn't move into the road or out of the road... or does it?? please help! I have a test on monday.
 

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