Solving DE using Frobenius series method

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The discussion revolves around solving the differential equation \( xy' = y \) using the Frobenius series method. Participants seek clarification on the method and its application, particularly in relation to initial conditions and the analytic nature of the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests a simpler explanation of the Frobenius method as presented in a textbook.
  • Another participant provides a series expansion for \( y(x) \) assuming it is analytic at \( x_0 \), detailing the computation of derivatives at that point.
  • There is a discussion about the first-order differential equation \( y' = \frac{y}{x} \) and its separable solution \( y = c x \), contrasting it with the Frobenius method approach.
  • A participant asks for clarification on the meaning of \( y(x) \) being analytic in \( x_0 \).

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the Frobenius method and its application. There is no consensus on the clarity of the textbook explanation or the best approach to solving the differential equation.

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Some participants reference the need for initial conditions and the analytic nature of the solution, but these concepts remain partially explored and not fully resolved within the discussion.

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Individuals interested in differential equations, particularly those learning about series solutions and the Frobenius method, may find this discussion relevant.

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Solve xy'= y using frobenius method

The explanation given in the book is very confusing can somebody explain in simple method.

Thanks
 
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ssh said:
Solve xy'= y using frobenius method

The explanation given in the book is very confusing can somebody explain in simple method.

Thanks

Suppose that the initial condition $\displaystyle y(x_{0})= y_{0}$ is given and that $y(x)$ is analytic in $x_{0}$ so that is...

$\displaystyle y(x)= \sum_{ n=0}^{\infty} \frac{y^{(n)} (x_{0})}{n!}\ (x-x_{0})^{n}$ (1)

The $\displaystyle y^{(n)} (x_{0})$ are computed as follows...

$\displaystyle y^{(1)} = \frac {y}{x} \implies y^{(1)}(x_{0}) = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}}$

$\displaystyle y^{(2)} = \frac{y^{(1)}}{x}- \frac{y}{x^{2}} \implies y^{(2)}(x_{0}) = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{2}} - \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{2}}=0$

$\displaystyle y^{(3)} = -2\ \frac{y^{(1)}}{x^{3}} + 2\ \frac{y}{x^{3}} \implies y^{(3)}(x_{0}) = -2\ \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{3}} + 2\ \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{3}}=0$

... and so one. The solution is the linear funcion $\displaystyle y = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}}\ x$ ...

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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chisigma said:
Suppose that the initial condition $\displaystyle y(x_{0})= y_{0}$ is given and that $y(x)$ is analytic in $x_{0}$ so that is...

$\displaystyle y(x)= \sum_{ n=0}^{\infty} \frac{y^{(n)} (x_{0})}{n!}\ (x-x_{0})^{n}$ (1)

The $\displaystyle y^{(n)} (x_{0})$ are computed as follows...

$\displaystyle y^{(1)} = \frac {y}{x} \implies y^{(1)}(x_{0}) = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}}$

$\displaystyle y^{(2)} = \frac{y^{(1)}}{x}- \frac{y}{x^{2}} \implies y^{(2)}(x_{0}) = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{2}} - \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{2}}=0$

$\displaystyle y^{(3)} = -2\ \frac{y^{(1)}}{x^{3}} + 2\ \frac{y}{x^{3}} \implies y^{(3)}(x_{0}) = -2\ \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{3}} + 2\ \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}^{3}}=0$

... and so one. The solution is the linear funcion $\displaystyle y = \frac{y_{0}}{x_{0}}\ x$ ...

$\chi$ $\sigma$

can you explain to me the first line?
 
dansingh said:
can you explain to me the first line?

Of course the first order DE...

$\displaystyle y^{\ '} = \frac{y}{x},\ y(x_{0}) = y_{0}\ (1)$... can be solved separain the variables and its soltion is $\displaystyle y=c\ x$...if Youy want to use the Frobenious method however, You must hypotize that $y(x)$ is analitic in $x_{0}$...Kind regards

$\chi$ $\sigma$
 
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what is y(x) analytic in x0
 

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