Solving Dieterici's Equation: Critical Pressure for a,b & R

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The discussion revolves around Dieterici's equation, which relates pressure, volume, and temperature of a gas. Participants are tasked with verifying conditions for critical points and determining critical pressure in terms of constants a, b, and R.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the differentiation of the exponential term in Dieterici's equation, questioning the validity of their derivative manipulations. There is discussion on the process of finding first and second derivatives and the implications of treating temperature as a constant.

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Some participants have made progress in deriving the first and second derivatives, while others express confusion about the number of unknowns and the approach to solving the equations. There is no explicit consensus, but various interpretations and methods are being explored.

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Participants note the complexity of the derivatives involved and the challenge of managing multiple unknowns in the equations. The discussion reflects a learning environment where assumptions about constants and variables are being scrutinized.

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Dieterici's equation ( an alternative to Van der waal's equation) states that the pressure p, volume v and absolute temperature T of a mass of gas are connected by the equation
p=\frac{RT}{(v-b)}\exp{\frac{-a}{vRT}} \\,
where a, b and R are constants. Verify that both \frac{{\partial p}}{{\partial v}} = 0 \\
and \frac{{\partial^2 p}}{{\partial^2 v}} =0 \\, for the critical volume and temperature v_c and T_c respectively,where v_c = 2band T_c = \frac{a}{4bR} \\. What is the value of p_c the critical pressure in terms of a,b and e?
I have a question in solving this: namely is \frac{d\exp{\frac{-a}{vRT}}}{dv} = \frac{d \exp{\frac{-a}{vRT}}}{d v^{-1}} \frac{d v^{-1}}{dv} \\ Because I don't think so: could someone explain what the l.h.s. is equal to. Thanks for the help.
 
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\frac{d exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})}{dv}= exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})\frac{d\frac{-\alpha}{vRT}}{dv}= exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})\frac{\alpha}{v^2RT}

That's because
\frac{d \frac{A}{v}}{dv}= \frac{d Av^{-1}}{dv}= -Av^{-2}
for any constant A.
 
HallsofIvy said:
\frac{d exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})}{dv}= exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})\frac{d\frac{-\alpha}{vRT}}{dv}= exp(\frac{-\alpha}{vRT})\frac{\alpha}{v^2RT}

Ok, I finally got to this step. But how do I take the 2nd derivative of this last result? It's gnarly.
 
Ok,

I think I got the 2nd derivative, and then I set both 1st and 2nd derivative to zero.
Now I have 3 equations (original, 1st derivative, 2nd derivative), but how many unknowns? I know that V is an unknown, but isn't T also an unknown? I treated it as a constant.

Do I solve for V in the 1st derivative and plug it into the 2nd derivative?

This is all very confusing . . .
 
\frac{{\partial p}}{{\partial v}} = \frac{{\partial}}{{\partial v}} (\frac{RT}{v-b}\exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}}) \\
which = \exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}} \frac{{\partial }}{{\partial v}}(\frac{RT}{v-b}) + \frac{RT}{v-b} \frac{{\partial }}{{ \partial v}}(\exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}}) \\.
Now use HallsofIvy's equation to evaluate the second term of the product rule expression to get the following:
\frac{RT}{(v-b)^2}\exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}} - \frac{a}{(v-b)v^2} \exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}} \\ = \exp^{\frac{-a}{vRT}}(\frac{RT}{(v-b)^2} - \frac{a}{(v-b)v^2}) \\ \mbox{ For the critical volume } \ v_c \ \mbox{ and the critical temperature } \ T_c \\ \ \frac{{\partial p}}{{\partial v}}= \exp^{-2}( \frac{a}{4b(b)^2} - \frac{a}{b4b^2})=0
 

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