Solving Differential Equation (x^2 + x + 1)y'' + (4x + 1)y' + 2y = 1

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The discussion centers around the differential equation (x^2 + x + 1)y'' + (4x + 1)y' + 2y = 1, specifically exploring whether it has solutions and the nature of those solutions. Participants examine the conditions under which solutions exist and the types of functions that may express them, including elementary and special functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the differential equation has a solution.
  • Another participant states that with specified initial conditions, the equation has a unique solution.
  • A different participant asserts that the equation has multiple solutions, some expressible in elementary functions and others in special functions.
  • One participant references Leibniz's theorem to suggest a method for solving the equation, indicating that the left-hand side can be manipulated to facilitate integration.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the leading coefficient has no real zeros, implying a unique solution for any initial values.
  • Further, a participant speculates that the original poster may be interested in the ease of expressing solutions in terms of common functions, noting that some solutions are straightforward while others require advanced mathematical knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the differential equation has solutions, but there is no consensus on the ease of expressing those solutions or the types of functions involved. Multiple competing views regarding the nature of the solutions and their expressibility remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence of solutions on initial conditions and the mathematical level required to express certain solutions, indicating that the discussion is nuanced and context-dependent.

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Hello
Don't think this is homework, because I just want to know whether or not it has a solution

[tex](x^2 + x + 1)y'' + (4x + 1)y' + 2y = 1[/tex]

Thanks :wink:
 
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If you specify initial data y(x_0) = y_0 and y'(x_0) = y_1 for y over an interval [a,b], then y has a unique solution.
 
I just want to know whether or not it has a solution
Stictly referring to the wording of the question, the answer is :
It has not only a solution, but a lot of solutions.
Some can be expressed with elementary function, others with special functions.
 
If you know a little trick called Liebniz' theorem you can recognise the left-hand side as being nearly
[(x2 + x + 1)y]'', in fact the equation is

[(x2 + x + 1)y]'' - y' = 1

The first integration is then easy and I think the second can be done too.
 
The fact that the leading coefficient,[itex]x^2+ x+ 1[/itex] has no real zeros tells you this equation has a unique solution for any initial values.
 
Hi !
I suppose that Mohammad_93 was already aware that his ODE has a solution which depends on the initial values.
I suppose that his question was to know if all those solutions are easy, or not, to be expressed in terms of usual functions so that he would be able, or not, to solve the equation.
From this perspective, the answer is :
Some solutions of the ODE can be expressed in terms of the combination of a finite number of elementary functions. So, it is easy to find the particular solutions of this kind.
Some solutions of the ODE can be expressed only in terms of special functions ( Hypergeometric or Incomplete Beta functions). So, these cases require more advanced mathematical knowledge.
As a consequence, the ability to solve the given ODE depends both on the initial values and on the mathematical level.
 

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