Solving Differential Equations for Tank of Water and Salt

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The discussion revolves around solving differential equations related to a tank containing water and salt. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of the system, focusing on the concentration of salt over time and the volume of water in the tank. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning, as well as problem-solving related to a specific scenario involving inflow and outflow rates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial conditions and differential equations governing the system, specifically the volume of water and the concentration of salt.
  • Another participant suggests solving the volume equation first to find a particular solution, indicating that the derivative of volume is constant and can be integrated to find the function.
  • A third participant attempts to solve the equations, providing their calculations for the volume and concentration of salt, but seeks validation of their approach.
  • One participant questions the assumption that the concentration of salt remains constant over time, suggesting that the concentration should change as the system evolves.
  • Another participant advises on how to approach part b of the problem, emphasizing the need to determine when the tank overflows and to use that time to find the concentration of salt.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the salt concentration over time, with some asserting that it remains constant while others argue that it does not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the validity of the proposed solutions and assumptions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the behavior of the salt concentration over time. The dependency on initial conditions and the specific rates of inflow and outflow are also noted but not fully explored.

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can you help me ??

A 200 liter tank initially contains 100 liters of water with a salt concentration of 0.1 grams per liter.
Water with a salt concentration of 0.5 grams per liter flows into the tank at a rate of 20 liters per
minute. Assume that the fluid is mixed instantaneously and that this well-mixed fluid is pumped out
at a rate of 10 liters per minute. Let c (t) and
v(t), be the concentration of salt and the volume of
water in the tank at time t (in minutes), respectively. Then,
v`(t)=10
v(t) c`(t) +20c(t)=10

a) Solve these differential equations to find the particular solutions for v(t) and c(t).
b) What is the concentration of salt in the tank when the tank first overflows?
 
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you can first sole the top one and then solve the lower one.

for what v(t) is the derivative 10. This will lead to an answer up to an additive constant (since the derivative of a constant is 0) but you know v(0)=100 so you can solve for that constant.

then write c'(t) out in terms of c(t) and solve that differential equation. and again you know the concentration for t=0 (this time you will actually find a multiplicative constant.

If it is the actual differential equations you're having trouble with I suggest you find a good introductory physics book or of course an introductory differential equations book.
 


i tray to solve it and i find this resolute, can anyone tell me are my way right ??

v(0)= 100 L , c(0) = 0.1 gm/L , c(t)=0.5 gm/L

v`= 10 ==> v (t) = 10t + k
==> v(0) = 0 + k =100 ==> k=100
so : v(t) = 10 t + 100
(mass) m= c(t) * v(t)
m`=c`(t)v(t) + c(t) v`(t)
10 = c`(t)(10t+100)+ c(t) *10
c`(t) + c(t) (10/(10t+100)) = 10/(10t+100)
by solving this DE :
e^∫(1/ t+10) dx = t+10
Multiplying through by both sides gives:
(t+10)c`(t)+c(t)=1
∂/∂t{c(t) (t+10)} =1

==> by integral
c(t) ( t+ 10) = t
==> c(t) = t/(t+10) +k
c(0) = 0.1
==>
0.1= 0 + k
so c(t) = t/(t+10) +0.1
 


any one know how to solve b
 


c(t) = 0.5 does not make any sense since the concentration of salt does not remain the same for all time. To solve b simply calculate when the tank overflows (you know the volume of the tank). Then plug that time into c(t)
 

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