Solving Distance Problem: Firework Explosion

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the motion of a firework that explodes into three parts at its maximum height. The participants are analyzing the trajectories and velocities of the parts after the explosion, particularly focusing on the calculations related to the distances and times of flight for each part.

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  • Participants discuss the use of kinematic equations to determine the initial velocities and times of flight for the parts of the firework. There is a focus on conservation of momentum to find the velocity of part C. Questions arise regarding the assumptions made about the time of fall for part B and the signs used in the equations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's calculations and questioning the assumptions made in the problem setup. Some participants have offered corrections and alternative approaches, while others express confusion about specific calculations, indicating a collaborative effort to clarify the problem.

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There are indications of potential misunderstandings regarding the application of kinematic equations, particularly in relation to the signs of acceleration and the time of flight for the different parts. Participants are also navigating through the complexities of vector components in momentum conservation.

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1. A 7.1 kg firework is launched straight up and at its maximum height 29 m it explodes into three parts. Part A(1 kg) moves straight down and lands 0.28 seconds after the explosion. Part B(2.5 kg) moves horizontally to the right and lands 12.5 meters from Part A. Part C moves to the left at some angle. How far from Part A does Part C land(no direction needed)?



2. x-x_0=v_0*\cos{theta}*t, y-y_0=v_0*\sin{theta}*t+0.5*a*t^{2}
momentum is conserved




3. I first figured out the initial velocity of A, by using the second equation above, namely -29=v_0*sin(-90)*0.28+0.5*0.28^2, and solved for v_0 of a
Then I solved v0 of B, from the first equation above, namely 12.5=v_0*cos(0)*0.28
Then I could solve for the initial velocity of part C and the direction, by using vectors on the momentum.
Then I can figure out the distance from C to A by the two formulas above, but I keep getting the wrong answer.


Thanks
 
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Do you mean this "-29=v_0*sin(-90)*0.28+0.5*(-9.8)*0.28^2"? If you did that then you should have gotten the right v0. As for B, you can't assume it's time of fall is 0.28sec. It only has a horizontal initial velocity, no vertical component. You can find it's time of fall with the same approach as A. Now use that time of fall to find it's initial horizontal velocity. Now you know everything about the initial velocities of A and B. Use conservation of momentum to find the initial velocity of C.
 
Okay, so here is what I have

For A, -29=-v0*.28-4.9*.28^2, which implies that v0=102.19994286 m/s

For B, -29=-4.9t^2, because it is going horizontally, so t=2.432769481 s.
Thus, 12.5=v0*t, because cos0=1, so v0=5.138176921 m/s, for B

Then this means that the momentum vector for A is (0,-102.1994286), and for B is 2.5(5.138176921,0)=(12.8454423,0)

Hence the momentum vector for C is (-12.8454423,102.1994286), and so the velocity vector is 1/3.6*(-12.8454423,102.1994286)=(-3.568178417,28.38873017).

Then, we know for C, that y-y0=v0*sin(theta)*t-4.9t^2, so -29=28.38873017t-4.9t^2, so t=3.4222779 seconds.

Then x-x0=v0*cos(theta)*3.4222779=-3.568178417*3.4222779=-12.21129814.

However, this is wrong. Could someone help in where this is wrong?
 
Well done! The only problem I can see is when you said you solved "-29=-v0*.28-4.9*.28^2", it looks like you actually solved "-29=-v0*.28-4.9*.28^2". I'm getting about 104.9m/sec for v0.
 
Dick said:
Well done! The only problem I can see is when you said you solved "-29=-v0*.28-4.9*.28^2", it looks like you actually solved "-29=-v0*.28-4.9*.28^2". I'm getting about 104.9m/sec for v0.

Sorry, but I can't see the difference in the equations. you mean -29=-v0*.28+4.9*.28^2, right.

But i don't understand why it would be +4.9 and not -4.9.

Thanks
 
quasar7744 said:
Sorry, but I can't see the difference in the equations. you mean -29=-v0*.28+4.9*.28^2, right.

But i don't understand why it would be +4.9 and not -4.9.

Thanks

Well, doing it all again it looks like that was my mistake, not yours. But how about this one. "-29=28.38873017t-4.9t^2". Do you still get 3.422sec? I don't. Unless I'm making another dumb mistake.
 
When I do it, I now don't get it, i don't know why.

I get that t=6.6796482 seconds, so that should make it work.

Indeed, that is the correct answer, thanks, problem solved.
 

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