Solving Elastic Collisions - Momentum & Final Velocity

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two masses, where the participants are trying to determine the final momentum and velocity of each mass after the collision. The context includes the initial conditions of the masses and their velocities, as well as the principles of conservation of momentum and kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy as key principles to find the final velocities. There is an emphasis on setting up equations based on these principles, but uncertainty remains about how to combine them effectively.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on formulating equations based on conservation laws, while others express confusion about how to integrate these equations to solve for the final velocities. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the definitions and implications of elastic collisions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of having two unknowns (final velocities) and the need for two equations to solve the problem. There is a focus on the definitions of elastic collisions and the conservation of energy, which are central to the discussion.

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Please clear up this problem...

Mass 1 = 8 kg, and v = 3 m/s to the right.
Mass 2 = 4 kg, and v = -3 m/s to the left.

Both objects are on the same x-plane. Totally elastic collision.
Momentum of mass 1 is 24, and momentum of mass 2 is -12.

How do I determine final momentum for each object, and therefore final velocity, after the collision?

Thank you.
Brad
 
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bjah said:
Please clear up this problem...

Mass 1 = 8 kg, and v = 3 m/s to the right.
Mass 2 = 4 kg, and v = -3 m/s to the left.

Both objects are on the same x-plane. Totally elastic collision.
Momentum of mass 1 is 24, and momentum of mass 2 is -12.

How do I determine final momentum for each object, and therefore final velocity, after the collision?

Thank you.
Brad

You have two unknowns (the velocities of the two masses after the collision).
If you can find two equations in these two variables, just basic algebra will see you home.

Ask yourself what the definition of an "elastic" collision is, and that will give you one of your equations. Conservation of momentum will give you the other one.
 
And that's where I'm stuck!

(8 x 3) + (4 x -3) = (8 x Vfinal of mass 1) + (4 x Vfinal of mass 2)

But how do I combine the equations for conservation of momentum and kinetic energy?
 
bjah said:
And that's where I'm stuck!

(8 x 3) + (4 x -3) = (8 x Vfinal of mass 1) + (4 x Vfinal of mass 2)

But how do I combine the equations for conservation of momentum and kinetic energy?

What does the equation for conservation of energy say about the energy before and the collision?
 
KE initial must = KE final.
 
bjah said:
KE initial must = KE final.
Right. So write out expressions for those two energies in this context.
 

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