Solving Equations with Moduli - Guidelines & Tips

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on strategies for solving equations involving moduli in one variable, particularly those of the form f(x,|x|)=0 or f(x,|g(x)|). Participants seek a general approach to handle moduli without expecting a universal solution applicable to all cases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests rearranging the equation to isolate the modulus on one side, leading to the form |f(x)| = g(x), and then deriving two cases based on the definition of absolute value.
  • Another participant reiterates the approach of setting up two equations: g(x) = f(x) and g(x) = -f(x), while emphasizing the need to check for extraneous solutions where g(x) may be negative.
  • A later reply introduces a more complex scenario involving |f(x)| + |g(x)| = h(x), proposing to square both sides to eliminate the moduli, leading to a new equation format.
  • Participants express the importance of verifying solutions to ensure they meet the conditions imposed by the modulus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on a single method for all cases, as participants explore different approaches and scenarios involving moduli. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple strategies proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the potential for extraneous solutions and the necessity of validating results against the original equations. The discussion does not resolve the complexities introduced by different forms of equations involving moduli.

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How does one go about solving equations in one variable which contain moduli? For instance, those of the form f(x,|x|)=0 or f(x,|g(x)|) more generally.

Obviously I don't expect a completely "one-size fits all" solution, but a general approach to dealing with the moduli is what I'm looking for. (i.e. let's assume that, once the moduli are gone, I will be able to deal satisfactorily with the remaining equation.)
 
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Astudious said:
How does one go about solving equations in one variable which contain moduli? For instance, those of the form f(x,|x|)=0 or f(x,|g(x)|) more generally.

Obviously I don't expect a completely "one-size fits all" solution, but a general approach to dealing with the moduli is what I'm looking for. (i.e. let's assume that, once the moduli are gone, I will be able to deal satisfactorily with the remaining equation.)

Get the modulus on one side, and everything else on the other side.

##|f(x)| = g(x)##

Using the definition of the absolute value, ##|a| = a## if ##a## is positive (or 0), and ##|a| = -a## if ##a## is negative, we have two equations:

##g(x) = f(x)##
##g(x) = -f(x)##

You might get extraneous solutions though, so always plug in the values you found into ##g(x)## and make sure ##g(x)## is positive (or zero). If you find that ##g(x)## is negative for a particular value, ignore this solution, since the absolute value of any real number is greater than or equal to zero by definition.

Hope this helps.

By the way, the functions ##f## and ##g## I used in my explanation are in no way related to those in your post, so don't get confused.
 
MohammedRady97 said:
Get the modulus on one side, and everything else on the other side.

##|f(x)| = g(x)##

Using the definition of the absolute value, ##|a| = a## if ##a## is positive (or 0), and ##|a| = -a## if ##a## is negative, we have two equations:

##g(x) = f(x)##
##g(x) = -f(x)##

You might get extraneous solutions though, so always plug in the values you found into ##g(x)## and make sure ##g(x)## is positive (or zero). If you find that ##g(x)## is negative for a particular value, ignore this solution, since the absolute value of any real number is greater than or equal to zero by definition.

Hope this helps.

By the way, the functions ##f## and ##g## I used in my explanation are in no way related to those in your post, so don't get confused.

Thanks. So we just rearrange into the form above, and then solve the two equations

##g(x) = f(x)##
##g(x) = -f(x)##

and use the superset of the solutions, removing any solutions which lead to g(x)<0 since no modulus of f(x) can equal them.

What if it were something like

##|f(x)| + |g(x)| = h(x)##

?
 
Astudious said:
Thanks. So we just rearrange into the form above, and then solve the two equations

##g(x) = f(x)##
##g(x) = -f(x)##

and use the superset of the solutions, removing any solutions which lead to g(x)<0 since no modulus of f(x) can equal them.

What if it were something like

##|f(x)| + |g(x)| = h(x)##

?
Astudious said:
Thanks. So we just rearrange into the form above, and then solve the two equations

##g(x) = f(x)##
##g(x) = -f(x)##

and use the superset of the solutions, removing any solutions which lead to g(x)<0 since no modulus of f(x) can equal them.

What if it were something like

##|f(x)| + |g(x)| = h(x)##

?

Square both sides.

##[|f(x)| + |g(x)|]^2 = h(x)^2##
##|f(x)|^2 + 2|f(x)||g(x)| + |g(x)|^2 = h(x)^2##

Recall that ##a^2 = |a|^2## and ##|a||b| = |ab|##

##f(x)^2 + 2|f(x)g(x)| + g(x)^2 = h(x)^2##
##|f(x)g(x)| = \frac{1}{2} [h(x)^2 - f(x)^2 - g(x)^2]##

You now have the equation in the form you mentioned in your first post.
 

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