Solving Fluid Mechanics Question: Radial Gate Forces and Direction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a fluid mechanics problem related to calculating the forces acting on a radial gate in civil engineering. Participants explore the methodology for determining the total force on the hinge and its direction, considering the gate's dimensions and the absence of water above the surface.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their struggle with the assignment question, noting the absence of water above the gate's surface affects the calculation of vertical force (Fv).
  • Another participant requests a visual representation to better understand the problem.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster found a similar question in past exam papers, which helped them arrive at a solution.
  • One participant suggests breaking the load into horizontal and vertical components and integrating pressure along with the geometry of the circle to find the total load in each direction.
  • Another participant agrees with the approach of decomposing the forces and provides a method for calculating horizontal and vertical forces using specific formulas involving projected area and volume.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach of breaking down the forces into components, but there is no consensus on the specific calculations or methods to be used, as different participants propose varying techniques.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the calculations due to the unique conditions of the problem, particularly the lack of water above the gate, which complicates the determination of vertical force.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for civil engineering students or individuals studying fluid mechanics, particularly those dealing with similar problems involving radial gates and force calculations.

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Hey guys,

I'm new here. I've been following PF on and off to get some hints in past but this is the first time I'm posting. I'm doing civil engineering second year and the following is an assignment question (there are total of four questions and I'm stuck on all four :( ). I'm not looking for direct answers but any hints would be great.

Q: Radial gate has a radius of 6m. It has length of 8m and can rotate about a hinge. What's total force on the hinge and its direction?The book I usually refer to uses the following procedure:
First they find Fh using rho*g*h
Then they find Fv using rho*g*V where V is the volume of water above the surface of the surface of the gate. And then they go on to some other formulas but I'm stuck at this point because in this particular question there is no water above the surface of the gate, which makes Fv = 0 (which inevitably leads to resultant force's direction of zero degrees in later stages)

I could be knocking on the door of the answer or I could be in the other city. Any help will be appreciated.
 
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Can you show a picture?
 
There isn't a lot in the picture but here we go..
 

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I've cracked this question. There was a similar question in past years exam papers and luckily I had the solution for that paper.
 
I am assuming for anyone in the future searching for this thread...

You break the load into two components, one horizontal, and one vertical. You then integrate the pressure \rho g h along with the equation for a circle to get the total load in each direction?
 
Yes, you break it down to horz and vertical. Then find horizontal by rho*g*h*A(projected area). Then you find vertical using )(pi*r^2L)/4)*rho*g. Then use trig to find resultant and the angle.
 

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