Solving for E(0) in Equation: Vacuum Permittivity

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The discussion revolves around determining the value of vacuum permittivity (E(0)) in the context of calculating the first ionization energy of an electron. Participants are exploring numerical values and constants relevant to this calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the value of E(0) used by their professor and seeks assistance in finding a numerical value for E(0)/e^2.
  • Another participant suggests a resource for finding the necessary constants, including the electron charge and vacuum permittivity.
  • A different participant points out that a Google search for "vacuum permittivity" yields useful information, including values in various units.
  • One participant mentions using the value 8.854*10^-12 for E(0) but struggles to find a combination of constants that yields a sensible outcome in their calculations.
  • A later reply clarifies that the calculated energy is in Joules and provides a conversion to electron volts, indicating a specific energy value related to the ionization energy.

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Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct value or application of E(0), and there are multiple approaches and calculations presented without resolution.

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Some participants express uncertainty regarding the units and outcomes of their calculations, indicating potential limitations in their understanding or application of the constants involved.

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I cannot for the life of me figure out what value my professor used for E(0) in this equation (vacuum permittivity). Here's what he wrote down:

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/5663/78976562.jpg

It's talking about the first ionization energy of an electron, so I've tried using numbers I do know to find a value for E(0)/e^2 (because I'm not entirely sure on the numerical value of e either, though it doesn't matter too much because the only time I need to use this constant it's in the form E(0)/e^2).

If anyone could help out, all I need is a number value to about 4 places.
 
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Hello FatCat-
All of the constants you need can be found at:
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2009/reviews/rpp2009-rev-phys-constants.pdf
This includes the electron charge, the permittivity of free space, and the classical Bohr radius, all to about 6 places. The number, 13.60569172 eV, is the Rydberg energy, also on this page. pi is about 22/7.
Bob S
 
FatCat0 said:
I cannot for the life of me figure out what value my professor used for E(0) in this equation (vacuum permittivity).

Did you try a Google search on "vacuum permittivity"? The first hit is a Wikipedia page which gives the value in two different sets of units near the beginning.
 
I can and have looked up the constants, but I still can't find any combination of them that makes sense, either in units or in outcome. Using 8.854*10^-12 for E(0) I get this:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%28.511*%281.6022*10^-19%29^4%29%2F%28%284*pi*%288.854*10^-12%29%29^2*2*%286.58212*10^-22%29^2%29
Which is very clearly nowhere near...well, anything that makes sense.
 
Oh, that answer comes out to 3.13926*^-14 by the way. Copied and pasted badly there...
 
Hi Fatcat-

The answer you get is in units of Joules

E = e2/8 pi ε0 a0 = 2.18 x 10-18 Joules

using 1.6 x 10-19 Joules = 1 eV (electron volt)

we get E = 13.6 eV

Bob S
 

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