Solving for Melting Ice: 500g Lead & -10C Ice Block

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The problem involves a 500 g lead mass heated to 150 °C placed on a block of ice at -10 °C, with the goal of determining how much ice, if any, will melt. The context is thermal energy transfer and phase changes, specifically focusing on heat exchange between the lead and the ice.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the heat transfer equations and the necessary calculations to determine the heat required to raise the temperature of the ice to 0 °C. There are questions about the specific heat capacity of lead and how to find it, as well as considerations of the heat available from the lead as it cools down.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some providing calculations for the heat needed to warm the ice and others suggesting checking the heat available from the lead. There is a recognition of the need for specific heat values, and suggestions have been made to look them up or estimate based on known values.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of missing specific heat capacity information for lead, which is impacting the calculations. Participants are considering the implications of using approximate values for metals in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement


a 500 g lead mass is heated to 150 C and placed on a block of ice at -10 C. how much ice, if any will melt? 52 kg = block of ice


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The Attempt at a Solution


i didint know where to start so i did qmcdeltaT + qmcdeltaT = 0, and i failed at it i asked a friend and they said u have to ur heat of fusion some how because ice is melting please show me!
 
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How much heat would have to be put into the 52 kg block of ice in order to bring its temperature up to zero C where melting can occur?
 
q=mcDeltaT

Q=52kg(2100 j/kg C) (0C-(-10C))
Q= 1092 Kj

thats the amount of heat needed to bring its temperature to 0 degree now where do i go from here?
 
Well, how about checking to see how much heat is available from the lead? The lead is starting at 150C. How much heat could it provide if it were to be brought all the way down to zero C?
 
but i don't have the specific heat capactiy on the sheet given to me so how do i find the heat?
 
ally.hady said:
but i don't have the specific heat capactiy on the sheet given to me so how do i find the heat?

Well, that is a problem. You could look it up (the easy way!).

Or, you could present an argument... The specific heats of all metals are less than that of water. The nearest contender is Lithium with a specific heat of 3.58 kJ/kg/K, with water being at 4.187 kJ/kg/K. Almost all the rest of the metals are less than 1 kJ/kg/K (and in particular, lead comes in at a measly 0.128 kJ/kg/K).

Given the mass of lead provided, estimate the maximum heat it might be able to provide to warm the ice (from -10° to the melting point) if it's heat capacity were comparable to that of water (definitely erring on the conservative side!). Is it enough to warm the block to melting point?
 
wow ur smart, ok i will do that
 

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