Solving for Parameters B and D to Determine if a Line Lies in the XY-Plane

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The problem involves determining the parameters B and D for a line defined by two equations to ascertain if it lies in the xy-plane. The equations are given in a parametric form, and the context suggests a focus on the conditions under which the line exists in a specific geometric plane.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the implications of setting z to a constant value and the conditions required for y to remain variable. There are attempts to relate the parameters B and D to the characteristics of lines in the xy-plane.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the parameters and the geometric representation of the line, but there is no explicit consensus on the final values of B and D.

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There is an emphasis on understanding the geometric implications of the equations rather than solely relying on algebraic manipulation. Participants express confusion over the conditions that must be satisfied for the line to lie in the xy-plane.

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Homework Statement



For which B and D the line [tex]\left\{\begin{matrix}<br /> x-2y+z-9=0 & \\ <br /> 3x+By+z+D=0 & <br /> \end{matrix}\right.[/tex] is in xy-plane ?


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I found the line:

[tex]\frac{x-\frac{-D+9}{2}}{2-B}=\frac{y}{2}=\frac{z-\frac{D+27}{2}}{B+6}[/tex]

What should I do next?
 
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Physicsissuef said:
[tex]\frac{x-\frac{-D+9}{2}}{2-B}=\frac{y}{2}=\frac{z-\frac{D+27}{2}}{B+6}[/tex]

Hi Physicsissuef! :smile:

Hint: you want z to be constant, but you don't want y to be constant.

So … ? :smile:
 
If it is in the xy-plane probably B+6=0.
 
But how do you stop y being infinite, then? :smile:
 
A point in xy plane have coordinates (x,y,0). A line in xy plane probably have [itex]a(a_1,a_2,0)[/itex]. a is parallel vector to the line, in this case [itex]a(2-B , 2 , B+6)[/itex]. And I don't understand you what are you talking to me... :smile:
 
I think you are putting far too much emphasis on plugging into formulas rather that thinking about what the problem says. In the xy plane, z is not just constant- it is specifically 0. If z= 0 then your equations become 3x- 2y- 9= 0 and 3x+ By+ D= 0. In the xy plane, those are each the equation of a line. For what B and D are those the same line?
 
B=-6 and D=-27. But why they need to be same?
 
Reread your original question! The equations represent a single line.
 
Ohh... I see, thanks. And is it correct that "a" should have coordinates [itex]a_1,a_2,0[/itex]?
 
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Physicsissuef said:
And I don't understand you what are you talking to me... :smile:

I was referring to the fact that your equation y/2 = (z - (D+27)/2)/(B + 6) seems to make y fixed and infinite if B + 6 = 0, while you want y to be able to take any value. :smile:
Physicsissuef said:
A point in xy plane have coordinates (x,y,0). A line in xy plane probably have [itex]a(a_1,a_2,0)[/itex]. a is parallel vector to the line, in this case [itex]a(2-B , 2 , B+6)[/itex].

Well, yes, the line is parallel to a line through the origin with (a_1,a_2,0).

But you're concentrating too much on formulas, as HallsofIvy said.

btw, his method is a lot easier than the one you chose … if you do that in the exam, the examiner wil get the impression you're using the formula without really understanding it.
 
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Hehe... I used the formula because I was desperate, I forgot that z=0. Thanks for the help.
 

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