Solving for the Speed of a Comet in an Elliptical Orbit

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the speed of a comet in an elliptical orbit around the sun, given its speed at one distance and asking for its speed at another distance. The subject area includes concepts from orbital mechanics and energy conservation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using conservation of angular momentum, Kepler's laws, and conservation of energy as potential methods. There is uncertainty about the applicability of certain equations, particularly for elliptical orbits.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on focusing on conservation of energy as a viable approach. There are ongoing questions regarding the correctness of the initial conditions and assumptions about the distances involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants question the validity of the distances given in the problem, noting that the initial speed seems low for the stated distance in a cometary orbit. There is a suggestion that the distances might need to be reconsidered.

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Homework Statement



Comets travel around the sun in elliptical orbits with large eccentricities. If a comet has speed 2.3×10^4 m/s when at a distance of 2.7×10^11 m from the center of the sun, what is its speed when at a distance of 4.3×10^10 m.


Homework Equations



I tried using v = ((G*M) / r) ^ 0.5, but I'm not sure if that will work with this problem.

The Attempt at a Solution



* I tried using conservation of angular momentum (per a tutor's advice), but didn't get the right answer
* I tried using Kepler's 2nd Law (area sweep) because the area that is swept out is the same all around the circle, but again no luck
* I tried using conservation of energy
* I used the equation that I listed above and solved for the mass of the comet by plugging in the 1st velocity and radius. Then I used the mass I came up with, along with the 2nd radius and solved for the velocity (v = 5.8*10^4 m/s). I inputted this answer into my online homework site, and it said that I was close, but not right.

Can someone please help me figure out where I went wrong??
Thanks in advance.
 
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ccsmarty said:
I tried using v = ((G*M) / r) ^ 0.5, but I'm not sure if that will work with this problem.

This is the circular velocity for an orbit of radius r, so this pretty definitely won't work for the elliptical orbit of a comet.

I tried using conservation of energy...

This is the only approach that will help you. How did you use it? What is the energy that is conserved as the comet travels on its orbit?
 
This is what I did with the energy methods:

cometproblem2.jpg


But this answer is wrong.
 
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The calculation appears to be all right for the numbers given. The speed of the comet increases by a modest factor of about three for having gotten about six times closer to the Sun.

But I can't help wondering if the distances are given correctly. The comet is said to start at a distance of 2.7·10^11 m , which is only about 1.8 AU, with a speed of 23 km/sec. (The final distance of 4.3·10^10 m is about 0.29 AU, which is credible for a perihelion distance.) That initial speed seems suspiciously low for that distance on a cometary orbit. Might the starting distance be more like 18 AU?
 
ccsmarty said:
7.6*104m/s
But this answer is wrong.

The vis-viva equation yields the same answer (not surprising, since the vis-viva equation follows directly from conservation of energy.) What makes you think the answer is wrong?
 

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