Solving for the Sum of an Arithmetic Progression | m>n | AP Homework

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The problem involves an arithmetic progression (AP) where the sum of the first n terms equals m, and the sum of the first m terms equals n. The goal is to find the sum of the first (m-n) terms in terms of m and n, with the condition that m is greater than n.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss deriving two equations based on the sums of the AP and express concerns about the complexity of the calculations involved. Some participants question whether there are simpler methods to arrive at the solution.

Discussion Status

There are multiple approaches being explored, with some participants providing algebraic manipulations to express the sum of the first (m-n) terms in different forms. While some calculations have been shared, there is no explicit consensus on a single method or solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lengthy nature of the calculations and express a desire for a more straightforward approach. The discussion also highlights the assumption that m is greater than n, which is central to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


In an AP, sum of first n terms is equal to m and sum of first m terms is equal to n. Then, find the sum of first (m-n) terms in terms of m and n, assuming m>n.

Homework Equations


Sum of an AP: n/2 * {2a+ (n-1)d}

The Attempt at a Solution


We get two equations:
m= n/2 * {2a+ (n-1)d} and
n= m/2 * {2a+ (m-1)d}
where a and d are first term and common difference respectively. Now, we can solve for a and d separately and plug the values in this equation:
Sm-n = (m-n)/2 * {2a + (m-n-1)d}
But, as we can see it is a very lengthy and ambiguous method. Can someone please find an easier method for the problem?
 
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subhradeep mahata said:

Homework Statement


In an AP, sum of first n terms is equal to m and sum of first m terms is equal to n. Then, find the sum of first (m-n) terms in terms of m and n, assuming m>n.

Homework Equations


Sum of an AP: n/2 * {2a+ (n-1)d}

The Attempt at a Solution


We get two equations:
m= n/2 * {2a+ (n-1)d} and
n= m/2 * {2a+ (m-1)d}
where a and d are first term and common difference respectively. Now, we can solve for a and d separately and plug the values in this equation:
Sm-n = (m-n)/2 * {2a + (m-n-1)d}
But, as we can see it is a very lengthy and ambiguous method. Can someone please find an easier method for the problem?
Certainly it is lengthy, but there is nothing "ambiguous" about it. Anyway, what is the final answer that you obtained?
 
I got this after a tedious calculation : {(m-n)(m+2n)}/m
please let me know if there are any easier methods.
 
It looks like subtracting those two equations gives you something very close to what you want.
$$m = \frac{n}{2} \left [2a + (n-1)d \right ] = na + \frac {n(n-1)d}{2} \\
n = \frac{m}{2} \left [2a + (m-1)d \right ] = ma + \frac {m(m-1)d}{2} \\
m - n = (n - m)a + \left [n(n-1) - m(m-1) \right ] \frac {d}{2}$$
$$S_{m-n} = \frac {m-n}{2} \left [2a + (m - n - 1)d \right ] = (m - n)a + (m-n)(m - n - 1)\frac {d}{2}$$

So it's not hard to express ##S_{m-n}## in terms of ##(m - n)## and ##d##. That may be useful in shortening the calculation.
 
Here is another shortening:
$$S_{m-n} = {m - n \over 2} (2a + (m - n - 1)d) \\
= {m \over 2} (2a + (m-1)d - nd) - {n \over 2} (2a + (n-1)d - (2n - m)d) \\
= (n - m) + {d \over 2} (n(2n - m) - mn) \\
= (n - m) + {d \over 2} 2n (n - m) \\
= (n - m) (1 + nd)$$
 

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