Solving Integer Equations with $a$ and $b$

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The discussion revolves around finding all positive integers $a$ and $b$ such that the expressions $\dfrac{a^2+b}{b^2-a}$ and $\dfrac{b^2+a}{a^2-b}$ yield integer values. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving related to integer equations.

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Participants do not appear to reach any consensus on a solution, and the discussion remains unresolved with multiple expressions of difficulty in solving the problem.

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Find all positive integers $a$ and $b$ such that $\dfrac{a^2+b}{b^2-a}$ and $\dfrac{b^2+a}{a^2-b}$ are both integers.
 
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anemone said:
Find all positive integers $a$ and $b$ such that $\dfrac{a^2+b}{b^2-a}$ and $\dfrac{b^2+a}{a^2-b}$ are both integers.
The problem is symmetric in $a$ and $b$, so it will be sufficient to find all solutions with $a\leqslant b$. Let $b = a+c$, with $c\geqslant0$. Then $$\frac{a^2+b}{b^2-a} = \frac{a^2+a+c}{a^2 + (2c-1)a + c^2}, \qquad \frac{b^2+a}{a^2-b} = \frac{a^2 + (2c+1)a + c^2}{a^2-a-c} = 1 + \frac{(2c+2)a + c(c+1)}{a^2 - a - c}.$$ Case 1: $c=0$. Then both fractions become $\dfrac{a+1}{a-1}$, which is an integer when $a = 2$ or $3$ but not otherwise.

Case 2: $c=1$. Then the first fraction becomes $\dfrac{a^2+a+1}{a^2+a+1}$, which is obviously an integer for every $a$. The second fraction is $1 + \dfrac{4a+2}{a^2-a-1}$. That is an integer when $a = 1$ or $2$. It is not an integer if $a= 3,\ 4$ or $5$. And if $a\geqslant 6$ then $0 < \dfrac{4a+2}{a^2-a-1} < 1$. So there can be no more solutions in this case.

Case 3: $c>1$. Then in the fraction $\dfrac{a^2+a+c}{a^2 + (2c-1)a + c^2}$ the numerator is less than the denominator. So the fraction lies between $0$ and $1$ and is therefore not an integer.

Thus there are altogether six possible solutions, as follows: $$ \begin{array}{c|c|c}(a,b)&\frac{a^2+b}{b^2-a} & \frac{b^2+a}{a^2-b} \\ \hline (1,2) & 1 & -5 \\ (2,1) & -5&1 \\ (2,2) & 3&3 \\ (2,3) & 1& 11 \\ (3,2) & 11 & 1 \\ (3,3) & 2& 2 \end{array}$$
 
By the symmetry of the problem we may suppose $a\le b$. Notice that $b^2-1\ge 0$ so that if $\dfrac{a^2+b}{b^2-a}$ is a positive integer, then $a^2+b\ge b^2-a$. Rearranging this inequality and factoring we find that $(a+b)(a-b+1)\ge 0$. Since $a,\,b>0$, we must have $a\ge b-1$. We therefore have two cases:

Case 1: $a=b$. Substituting, we have
$\dfrac{a^2+a}{a^2-a}=\dfrac{a+1}{a-1}=1+\dfrac{2}{a-1}$, which is an integer iff $(a-1)|2$. As $a>0$, the only possible values are $a-1=1 \text{or} 2$. Hence, $(a,\,b)=(2,\,2)$ or $(3,\,3)$.

Case 2: $a=b-1$. Substituting, we have

$\dfrac{b^2+a}{a^2-b}=\dfrac{(a+1)^2+a}{a^2-(a+1)}=\dfrac{a^2+3a+1}{a^2-a-1}=1+\dfrac{4a+2}{a^2-a-1}$

Once again, notice that $4a+2>0$ and hence for $\dfrac{4a+2}{a^2-a-1}$ to be an integer, we must have $4a+2\ge a^2-a-1$, that is $a^2-5a-3\le 0$. Hence, since $a$ is an integer, we can bound $a$ by $1\le a \le 5$. Checking all ordered pairs, we find that only $(a,\,b)=(1,\,2)$ or $(2,\,3)$ satisfy the given conditions.

Thus, the ordered pairs that work are $(a,\,b)=(2,\,2),\,(3,\,3),\,(1,\,2),\,(2,\,3),\,(2,\,1),\,(3,\,2)$
 

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