Solving Momentum & Energy Homework Problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving momentum and energy during a collision between two masses, one of which has a spring attached. The problem includes determining the final velocity of one mass and the compression of the spring at the moment of impact.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of momentum to find the final velocity of the second mass and express uncertainty about the correct setup for energy conservation to determine the spring's compression.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations for the final velocity of the second mass and are exploring the concept of relative velocity at maximum compression of the spring. There is ongoing questioning about the definitions and implications of the variables involved, particularly regarding the direction of motion and the nature of the collision.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify the directions of the masses, leading to assumptions about their motion towards and away from each other during the collision.

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Homework Statement


Okay there is 2 boxes. One mass has a spring attached to it. They undergo a collision. The spring then has a constant of 600N/m.
M 1 = 1kg Vi1 = 4m/s Vf1 = 3m/s
M 2 = 2.10kg Vi2 = 2.50m/s
Determine Vf of M 2 and x value on impact.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am just wondering if my method is correct for solving these questions.

First I would use the formula:
m1vi1 + m2vi2 = m1vf1 + m2vf2 to find the final velocity of m2.

Determining the X value is where I struggle. I know it's energy conservation but I'm not sure how to set it up.

I did Ee = Ekf + Ekf

I used my 2 final velocities in the equation due to the fact the question asked what was the X value impact.

Is this the correct way to solve this problem??
 
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Exactly what does the x value represent?
 
kuruman said:
Exactly what does the x value represent?
The displacement.. How much spring stretches or compresses from equilibrium.
 
Since it's a collision, it must be compression and I would assume maximum compression. What is the relative velocity of the two masses at maximum compression?
 
kuruman said:
Since it's a collision, it must be compression and I would assume maximum compression. What is the relative velocity of the two masses at maximum compression?
I calculated that vf2 is 2.98 m/s.
 
Veronica_Oles said:
I calculated that vf2 is 2.98 m/s.
That's the final velocity of mass 2. I asked you for the relative velocity between the two masses when the spring is at maximum compression. Can you imagine what it could be?
 
kuruman said:
That's the final velocity of mass 2. I asked you for the relative velocity between the two masses when the spring is at maximum compression. Can you imagine what it could be?
Relative velocity: Vf1-Vf2 = 3.0-2.98 = 0.02??
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Vi1 = 4m/s Vf1 = 3m/s
Same direction or opposite directions?
 
Veronica_Oles said:
Relative velocity: Vf1-Vf2 = 3.0-2.98 = 0.02??
Just think. Maximum compression means that the spring is not being compressed any more instantaneously. At that instant (never mind what happens later): (1) can the two masses be moving relative to each other? (2) What is their total kinetic energy? (3) What is the potential energy stored in the spring?
 
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haruspex said:
Same direction or opposite directions?
Pretty sure question did not give directions, it was just assumed one was going towards each other, then after collision away from each other.
 

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