Solving Nonhomogeneous Cauchy Equations with Erwin Kreyszig's WILEY Book

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The discussion revolves around solving nonhomogeneous Cauchy equations, specifically the equation x²y'' - xy' + y = lnx. Participants explore methods for finding both the homogeneous and particular solutions, referencing Erwin Kreyszig's WILEY book as a source of information on related topics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their approach of substituting x = e^t to find the homogeneous solution, yh = c1*x + c2*x, but notes the need for a particular solution, yp.
  • Another participant suggests using a series solution, indicating it may clarify the reasoning behind the proposed solution.
  • A different participant challenges the initial claim about the homogeneous solutions, stating that only one independent solution y = e^t is obtained, and provides the correct independent solution y = te^t.
  • This participant also derives the general solution for the transformed equation, concluding with y = C1x + C2x ln(x) + ln(x) + 3.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the reduction of the equation, questioning whether it should transform differently based on the substitution made.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the nature of the homogeneous solutions and the correct transformation of the equation. Multiple competing views remain on how to approach the problem and the validity of the proposed solutions.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the transformation of the equation and the nature of the solutions. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the problem and its solutions.

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I got this book from WILEY by Erwin Kreyszig. It tells how to solved homogenous cauchy equations. It also covers simple nonhomogenous equations.
But it doesn't cover when we have nonhomogenous Cauchy equations like this one.
x2y''-xy'+y=lnx
How do I go about solving that equation?

I substituted x=e ^t and obtained the homogeneous solution yh=c1*x+c2*x
but there is still the partial solution (yp).
Any idea?
final answer should be y=yh+yp
 
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Hussam Al-Tayeb said:
I got this book from WILEY by Erwin Kreyszig. It tells how to solved homogenous cauchy equations. It also covers simple nonhomogenous equations.
But it doesn't cover when we have nonhomogenous Cauchy equations like this one.
x2y''-xy'+y=lnx
How do I go about solving that equation?

I substituted x=e ^t and obtained the homogeneous solution yh=c1*x+c2*x
but there is still the partial solution (yp).
Any idea?
final answer should be y=yh+yp

You could use a series solution to this one. Although it might take some time, it might also clarify why the solution is what you say it is.
 
Hussam Al-Tayeb said:
I got this book from WILEY by Erwin Kreyszig. It tells how to solved homogenous cauchy equations. It also covers simple nonhomogenous equations.
But it doesn't cover when we have nonhomogenous Cauchy equations like this one.
x2y''-xy'+y=lnx
How do I go about solving that equation?

I substituted x=e ^t and obtained the homogeneous solution yh=c1*x+c2*x
but there is still the partial solution (yp).
Any idea?
final answer should be y=yh+yp
Well, no, you didn't get that as a homogeneous solutions because you obviously (unless you made a typo) don't have two independent solutions! If you make the substitution
x= e^t then you get the homogeneous equation d^2y/dt^2- 2dy/dt+ y= 0 which has characteristic equation r^2- 2r+ 1= (r-1)^2= 0 and so gives the single solution y= e^t. The OTHER independent solution is y= te^t. Those two solutions, converted to x, since t= ln(x) are y= x and y= x ln(x).

But why stop at the homogeneous equation. Since the right hand side of your equation is ln(x), replacing x by e^t there gives ln(e^t)= t. Your equation reduces completely to
d^2/dt^2- 2dy/dt+ y= t. Trying y= At+ b, y'= A, y"= 0 so you have -2A+ At+ B= t: A= 1 and -2A+ B= -2+ B= 1 gives B= 3. Your general solution to the converted equation is
y= C1e^t+ C2xe^t+ t+ 3 which, using t= ln x, goes back to y= C1x+ C2x ln(x)+ ln(x)+ 3.
 
HallsofIvy, I understood the y1= e^t and y2=te^t

But you said "Your equation reduces completely to d^2/dt^2- 2dy/dt+ y= t"
shouldn't it reduce to:
e^2t y'' - e^t y' + y = t ?
 
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