Solving PDF with set boundary values

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The discussion revolves around determining the time at which 10% of electronic components in a copier have failed, using a given probability distribution function (PDF). Participants explore the integration of the PDF and the interpretation of results in the context of failure times.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the PDF as f(x)=(e(-x/1000))/1000 and attempts to find the time corresponding to a 10% failure rate.
  • Another participant points out inconsistencies in the use of "f(x)" and notes that the antiderivative is missing a negative sign, suggesting that the computation needs clarification.
  • A third participant emphasizes the correct definition of the PDF, stating it should be f(x) = (1/1000)e^(-x/1000) for x ≥ 0, and suggests integrating from 0 to x to find the cumulative distribution function (CDF).
  • There is a discussion about the nature of time as a continuous variable, with participants agreeing that it is inconsistent to define an exact probability for failure time.
  • One participant claims to have calculated the time to be 105 hours but does not receive confirmation on the correctness of this result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct integration of the PDF and the interpretation of the failure time. There is no consensus on the final answer or the method used to arrive at it.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly defining the PDF and integrating it properly to obtain the CDF. There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the calculations and the interpretation of the results.

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I am give probability distribution function f(x)=(e(-x/1000))/1000 of the time to failure of an electronic component in a copier

The question is to determine the number of hours at which 10% of all components have failed.

My solution:
1) PDF was integrated to obtain: f(x)= e(-x/1000)

2) Then, I used e(-x/1000)=0.1 with upper boundary x, and lower boundary is 0 to find x as the number of hours at which all 10% of components have failed. However, entering it in calculator, I couldn't obtain solution. What did I wrong here?
 
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Ein Krieger said:
I am give probability distribution function f(x)=(e(-x/1000))/1000 of

1) PDF was integrated to obtain: f(x)= e(-x/1000)

You're using "f(x)" inconsistently to stand for two different things and your antiderivative is missing a negative sign.

[itex]\int \frac{e^{-x/1000}}{1000} dx = - e^{-x/1000} + C[/itex]

You can't compute a deterministic answer for the time when 10% of the components have failed since that time is a random variable. Perhaps you want to compute the time at which the probability that a component has failed then or earlier reaches .10. Your description of what you did with the calculator isn't clear.
 
Ein Krieger,

I am pretty sure you are leaving out one critical part of the definition of f(x). The pdf is

[tex]f(x) =\frac{1}{1000} e^{-x / 1000}[/tex]
for [itex]x \ge 0[/itex], zero otherwise.

So you should integrate f(x) from 0 to x; you will get a different answer for the cdf than you got before.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
You're using "f(x)" inconsistently to stand for two different things and your antiderivative is missing a negative sign.

[itex]\int \frac{e^{-x/1000}}{1000} dx = - e^{-x/1000} + C[/itex]

You can't compute a deterministic answer for the time when 10% of the components have failed since that time is a random variable. Perhaps you want to compute the time at which the probability that a component has failed then or earlier reaches .10. Your description of what you did with the calculator isn't clear.

Yes. Sure. You are right. Time is continuous variable so it is inconsistent to try to define exact probability. All we need is to get probability for time range.

awkward said:
Ein Krieger,

I am pretty sure you are leaving out one critical part of the definition of f(x). The pdf is

[tex]f(x) =\frac{1}{1000} e^{-x / 1000}[/tex]
for [itex]x \ge 0[/itex], zero otherwise.

So you should integrate f(x) from 0 to x; you will get a different answer for the cdf than you got before.

I have already calculated, and I got 105 hours. is it right?
 

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