Solving pH for HOCl in a 1 L Solution

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a solution containing 0.39 mol of hypochlorous acid (HOCl) in 1 L of water. Participants explore the application of the acid dissociation constant (Ka) and the relationship between concentrations of the acid and its conjugate base.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the concentration of HOCl as 0.39 M and proposes a dissociation equation to find the pH.
  • Another participant suggests using resources for calculating pH of weak acid solutions, indicating that different approaches can yield the same results.
  • A participant questions the interpretation of mass balance in relation to the concentrations of acid and its conjugate base, seeking clarification on how to apply it in the pH calculation.
  • One participant asserts that the mass balance equation for HOCl must hold, stating that the sum of the concentrations of HClO and ClO- equals 0.39 M.
  • Another participant challenges the ability to calculate the ratio of acid to base without knowing their individual concentrations, suggesting a reverse calculation method to find pH first.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of pH, particularly regarding the use of mass balance and the ratio of acid to base. There is no consensus on the correct method to apply in this scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the relationships between concentrations of the acid and its conjugate base, as well as the application of the log(acid/base) term in the context of buffer solutions versus pure acid solutions.

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Homework Statement



Determine the pH when 0.39 mol HOCl is added to sufficient water to make 1.000 L of solution. (Ka (HOCl) = 3.700 x 10-8)

Homework Equations



Ka = Kw/Kb
pH = -log(pKa) + log(acid/base)

The Attempt at a Solution



For this question first we need the concentration: c= n/v hence the concentration of HOCL is 0.39M.

At this point if you write the balanced equation I think it's HOCl + H2O <---> H3O + ClO
so there is a positive increase in H3O and ClO, hence:

Ka = [H3O]+[ClO]- / [HOCL]
by letting H3O be x, then both the concentrations of H3O and ClO will be x^2 since they increase the same.

So I figure Ka = x^2 / [HOCL]

x = 1.170 e-4

so the pH = -log(x) + log(acid/base)
pH = 3.932 + log(acid/base)

I'm not sure what values I'd put in for acid / base, and I'm not sure if what I've done so far is correct.

Thank you very much for your time!

Gaunt.
 
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Hey Borek,

thanks for the sites, but I"m a little confused. Chembuddy says "the sum of concentrations of all acid forms present in the solution must be identical to the concentration of acid added."

Does that mean for the log(acid/base), the acid value would be the Ka and the base just the Kb?
 
No, it is just a mass balance. HClO dissociates, so solution contains both HClO and ClO-. In your case mass balance for hypochloric acid means that

[HClO] + [ClO-] = 0.39M

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[HClO] + [ClO-] = 0.39M

So if you were to do log(acid / base), it would simply be 0.39 since all the sums of the acid must be equal to the original concentration? hence the answer is just 0.39 + 3.932?
 
No, you don't know what are concentrations of HClO and its conjugate base ClO-, so you can't calculate their ratio and log of their ratio. You have to calculate them first. Simplest approach is to calculate in reverse - that is, calculate pH of the solution, then use it to calculate ratio of concentrations.

log(acid/base) is a way of dealing with buffers, not with solutions of pure acid.
 

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